Guys with H/C motors and advanced timin
I dont see how anyone could argue with a tuner...unless it was another tuner with experience in the particulary function. I had been tuning my car and friends, and I always reduce timing and leave it there, my own car had a slight bit much taken out, 16* for only a 200 shot..but I wasnt able to hook my cable up either. Anyway, as I've said before... I ran 33* NA and 24* NA, I seen no noticable appreciation b/w the two, so it is way safer to run on lower timing, not on the edge. Same thing goes with Nitrous. If your going to make the car run on the edge and gain 5rwhp, your nuts. When your on the edge it takes much less to go wrong, and your game is over. I have had some of the tunes I wrote redone by others adding more timing, and I wait as the day will come when POP happens.
Then again, I tend to try and look at the grand scheme of things, a lid may only give me 10rwhp NA, but its ability to outflow the stock baffled lid beyond the airflow requirements of an NA motor, one that is assisted with smallish 200shots of nitrous makes that $ well spent on that "10rwhp" lid.
Then again, I tend to try and look at the grand scheme of things, a lid may only give me 10rwhp NA, but its ability to outflow the stock baffled lid beyond the airflow requirements of an NA motor, one that is assisted with smallish 200shots of nitrous makes that $ well spent on that "10rwhp" lid.
Originally Posted by SmaknaSS
I’m sure you’re a novice tuner at MTI but It not being worth it I would disagree, I’ve seen as much as a gain of 10 HP from 20 to 28 degrees of timing. People pay over $100 for a lid and a cat back for only 10 HP. I paid maybe $10 in parts and was way easy to install and having the flexibility to be able to maximize your timing for Nitrous as well as NA is well worth it to me. Every little bit help’s. BTW to have a progressive controller, a stand alone or a DP setup for only 100HP may not be worth it but it does give people room to grow. I hear a lot of good things about MTI but You come across as rather arrogant, but that’s OK, I will not be sending my car to or buying my 408 LB from MTI.
Originally Posted by Clipper
I was more than a little suprised as well. I was obviously mistaken in my belief that the guy writing the check decides what's worth it, and whats not, and the guy cashing the check just does what the customer pays for.... hmm, strange world.
Hey now Chris, I'm the novice tuner in this Forum so you can't have that title 
I already lost the "Nitrous Charlie" title to another user in here...I can't lose too many more ok?
Lets look at it like this, dont look a gift horse in the mouth, when given advice etc..
The Story behind It: This proverb is based on the fact that a horse's value is determined by his age, which, in turn, can be roughly determined by an examination of his teeth. The message conveyed is that a gift should be appreciated for the thought and spirit behind it, not according to its value. St. Jerome, who never accepted payment for his writings, first used the phrase in reply to his literary critics. His exact words: "Never inspect the teeth of a gift horse."
I already lost the "Nitrous Charlie" title to another user in here...I can't lose too many more ok? Lets look at it like this, dont look a gift horse in the mouth, when given advice etc..
The Story behind It: This proverb is based on the fact that a horse's value is determined by his age, which, in turn, can be roughly determined by an examination of his teeth. The message conveyed is that a gift should be appreciated for the thought and spirit behind it, not according to its value. St. Jerome, who never accepted payment for his writings, first used the phrase in reply to his literary critics. His exact words: "Never inspect the teeth of a gift horse."
Originally Posted by CAT3
I dont see how anyone could argue with a tuner...unless it was another tuner with experience in the particulary function. I had been tuning my car and friends, and I always reduce timing and leave it there, my own car had a slight bit much taken out, 16* for only a 200 shot..but I wasnt able to hook my cable up either. Anyway, as I've said before... I ran 33* NA and 24* NA, I seen no noticable appreciation b/w the two, so it is way safer to run on lower timing, not on the edge. Same thing goes with Nitrous. If your going to make the car run on the edge and gain 5rwhp, your nuts. When your on the edge it takes much less to go wrong, and your game is over. I have had some of the tunes I wrote redone by others adding more timing, and I wait as the day will come when POP happens.
Then again, I tend to try and look at the grand scheme of things, a lid may only give me 10rwhp NA, but its ability to outflow the stock baffled lid beyond the airflow requirements of an NA motor, one that is assisted with smallish 200shots of nitrous makes that $ well spent on that "10rwhp" lid.
Then again, I tend to try and look at the grand scheme of things, a lid may only give me 10rwhp NA, but its ability to outflow the stock baffled lid beyond the airflow requirements of an NA motor, one that is assisted with smallish 200shots of nitrous makes that $ well spent on that "10rwhp" lid.
Originally Posted by NiceTry
LMAO yeah i'm a novice tuner.... I'm not the one taking 8 degrees out for a 100 shot....I may be arrongant but i'm RIGHT....You can do what you want i really could care less i'm just trying to help the orignal poster out....Why is it that every time some on has to come back with "well i'm not sending my car to you to have this or that done..." when seriously you were going to in the first place and if so it's your loss.....
I know one thing for sure is that I lost around 10 HP on the dyno when one of my Knock sensors failed. My timing was around 20 deg and then I copyed my high octane table to the low octain table and I gained around 10 rwhp back. I’m done.
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What was implied was that the amount of work necessary was not worth the "10 hp" result. I'm definitely not one to harass the tuner "'cause I heard on the net", but I also don't expect my tuner to leave hp (even if it's only half a pony) because it's not worth the effort. Leave HP for a better curve, or special circumstances, but not because it's not "worth the work".
Now, I've seen some schmucks with some pretty off the wall "contraptions" under the hood, but I just mistakenly assumed a company such as MTI would rather explain things in an effort to educate the customer, instead of telling them to "pull that crap off or go somewhere else". It's just poor customer relations, and at least 2 people in this thread, will never call MTI for anything as a direct result of those comments. While 2 customers isn't going to make or break any company, those types of business practices will.
Now, I've seen some schmucks with some pretty off the wall "contraptions" under the hood, but I just mistakenly assumed a company such as MTI would rather explain things in an effort to educate the customer, instead of telling them to "pull that crap off or go somewhere else". It's just poor customer relations, and at least 2 people in this thread, will never call MTI for anything as a direct result of those comments. While 2 customers isn't going to make or break any company, those types of business practices will.