Calling Dry Nitrous Master Robert 56
Calling Dry Nitrous Master Robert 56 Hey Mr. 56 I was wondering if adding the remote NOS bottle opener (solenoid type, not the bottle valve turning type) to my dry nitrous system will make a difference in the tune. My reasoning being that changing the flow path of the nitrous might cause a phase change before or at the nozzle leading to the MAF not picking up the juice. Also, on a similar note why isn't it acceptable to mount the nitrous noids right after the bottle? I am running a 100rwhp system from HSW using the NOS fan spray nozzle mounted about 5" away from the MAF. Any info on e way or the other is much appreciated.
Originally Posted by JoeMama's GTO
Hey Mr. 56 I was wondering if adding the remote NOS bottle opener (solenoid type, not the bottle valve turning type) to my dry nitrous system will make a difference in the tune. My reasoning being that changing the flow path of the nitrous might cause a phase change before or at the nozzle leading to the MAF not picking up the juice. Also, on a similar note why isn't it acceptable to mount the nitrous noids right after the bottle? I am running a 100rwhp system from HSW using the NOS fan spray nozzle mounted about 5" away from the MAF. Any info on e way or the other is much appreciated.
I am taking a guess here as to why the solenoids are mounted near the nozzle instead of where the bottle is placed.
With solenoid closer to nozzles, less distance for the nitrous to travel when activated. Remember, there is nitrous in the line up to the solenoid.
From what i have read, most are placing the nozzle 2-3 inches away from the MAF. Perhaps 5 is too far and thus the bad reading.
Originally Posted by Ponch
I am taking a guess here as to why the solenoids are mounted near the nozzle instead of where the bottle is placed.
With solenoid closer to nozzles, less distance for the nitrous to travel when activated. Remember, there is nitrous in the line up to the solenoid.
From what i have read, most are placing the nozzle 2-3 inches away from the MAF. Perhaps 5 is too far and thus the bad reading.
With solenoid closer to nozzles, less distance for the nitrous to travel when activated. Remember, there is nitrous in the line up to the solenoid.
From what i have read, most are placing the nozzle 2-3 inches away from the MAF. Perhaps 5 is too far and thus the bad reading.
Second there isn't nitrous in the line up to the solenoid if you don't purge (although I bet it is pretty damn close...14.7 psi air vs 950 psi N2O)
I think your guess is on the right track though where the phase change from liquid to gaseous N2O occurs in the line when the noids are close to the bottle.
Im not Robert.. and you are not running our products but since your post has been here un asnwered ill answer your questions.
No the remote valve will not change the maff reading. Yes it will alter the flow of the nitrous and more than likely cause a phase change but you should never see any differences in what the maff is reading.
You can not put the solenoid at the back of the car even though its just a dry shot because the system would see a huge delay in when the nitrous hits and shuts off the flow.
Dave
No the remote valve will not change the maff reading. Yes it will alter the flow of the nitrous and more than likely cause a phase change but you should never see any differences in what the maff is reading.
You can not put the solenoid at the back of the car even though its just a dry shot because the system would see a huge delay in when the nitrous hits and shuts off the flow.
Dave
I have run the said NOS valve, and it's the nicest noid type bottle opener out there. yes you could get phase change, but I wouldn't worry about it. I have run fairly big hits with that opener and no issues. the one area that does get affect is total system flow capability when going big. that's the reason, amongst others that I removed the NOS bottle noid. If ya have the need for a remote and have the valve, and at your hp level, I would not hesistate to use it.
You know you can get phase change with the pick up tube in most bottles. just flairing the end of the tube will stop this. but the point is, at our levels phase change is really not a great concern.
As has been said, noids at the bottle aren't good because your long line will be empty. But something you can do, and I have done this. with your noids close to the motor, you can increase your line length leaving the noid, and create a softer hit, or a poor mans delay/ws. I posted a dyno sheet of this and the hp and tq curves mimick a turbo's curves allmost perfectly.
Robert
You know you can get phase change with the pick up tube in most bottles. just flairing the end of the tube will stop this. but the point is, at our levels phase change is really not a great concern.
As has been said, noids at the bottle aren't good because your long line will be empty. But something you can do, and I have done this. with your noids close to the motor, you can increase your line length leaving the noid, and create a softer hit, or a poor mans delay/ws. I posted a dyno sheet of this and the hp and tq curves mimick a turbo's curves allmost perfectly.
Robert
Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
Im not Robert.. and you are not running our products but since your post has been here un asnwered ill answer your questions.
No the remote valve will not change the maff reading. Yes it will alter the flow of the nitrous and more than likely cause a phase change but you should never see any differences in what the maff is reading.
You can not put the solenoid at the back of the car even though its just a dry shot because the system would see a huge delay in when the nitrous hits and shuts off the flow.
Dave
No the remote valve will not change the maff reading. Yes it will alter the flow of the nitrous and more than likely cause a phase change but you should never see any differences in what the maff is reading.
You can not put the solenoid at the back of the car even though its just a dry shot because the system would see a huge delay in when the nitrous hits and shuts off the flow.
Dave
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Originally Posted by Robert56
I have run the said NOS valve, and it's the nicest noid type bottle opener out there. yes you could get phase change, but I wouldn't worry about it. I have run fairly big hits with that opener and no issues. the one area that does get affect is total system flow capability when going big. that's the reason, amongst others that I removed the NOS bottle noid. If ya have the need for a remote and have the valve, and at your hp level, I would not hesistate to use it.
You know you can get phase change with the pick up tube in most bottles. just flairing the end of the tube will stop this. but the point is, at our levels phase change is really not a great concern.
As has been said, noids at the bottle aren't good because your long line will be empty. But something you can do, and I have done this. with your noids close to the motor, you can increase your line length leaving the noid, and create a softer hit, or a poor mans delay/ws. I posted a dyno sheet of this and the hp and tq curves mimick a turbo's curves allmost perfectly.
Robert
You know you can get phase change with the pick up tube in most bottles. just flairing the end of the tube will stop this. but the point is, at our levels phase change is really not a great concern.
As has been said, noids at the bottle aren't good because your long line will be empty. But something you can do, and I have done this. with your noids close to the motor, you can increase your line length leaving the noid, and create a softer hit, or a poor mans delay/ws. I posted a dyno sheet of this and the hp and tq curves mimick a turbo's curves allmost perfectly.
Robert
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Originally Posted by JoeMama's GTO
Actually I am running your products; your custom switch plate, trick window switch, and misc. other odds and ends. But that is neither here nor there...thanks for the info and it looks like I can finish my install without worrying about going lean.
Dave
