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GTO Question Aside from the fun to drive factor, is the diff between an A4 GTO and an M6 anything major as far as power, track times, driveability, etc? I have had both auto and manual LS1's and know their differences, but I was just curious what the story is on the GTO's. 
Most of the GTO guys who are actually racing and posting times over at ls1gto.com are M6 guys. I think it's mostly just because we like rowing the gears. According the GM's numbers the M6 is faster for the LS1 powered version and the A4 is faster for the LS2 powered version. The A4 is definitely more consistent in the 1/4 mile while the M6 is more controllable in auto-x and lapping.
so...you thinking of trading up?
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Originally Posted by Crisisman
Most of the GTO guys who are actually racing and posting times over at ls1gto.com are M6 guys. I think it's mostly just because we like rowing the gears. According the GM's numbers the M6 is faster for the LS1 powered version and the A4 is faster for the LS2 powered version. The A4 is definitely more consistent in the 1/4 mile while the M6 is more controllable in auto-x and lapping.
so...you thinking of trading up?
so...you thinking of trading up?
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Everytime I think about getting an auto this article pops into my mind. Read #2
http://www.menshealth.com/cda/articl...3cd____&page=1
http://www.menshealth.com/cda/articl...3cd____&page=1
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Everytime I think about getting an auto this article pops into my mind. Read #2
http://www.menshealth.com/cda/articl...3cd____&page=1
http://www.menshealth.com/cda/articl...3cd____&page=1
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Originally Posted by Nate_Taufer
Everytime I think about getting an auto this article pops into my mind. Read #2
http://www.menshealth.com/cda/articl...3cd____&page=1
http://www.menshealth.com/cda/articl...3cd____&page=1
1- Auto's are better when your Drag Racing
2- If you drive an auto your hand is free to explore other things
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1- Auto's are better when your Drag Racing
2- You have your hand free to explore other things
2- You have your hand free to explore other things
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Originally Posted by Nate_Taufer
Simply joking, thats and article my wife sent. But seriously rowing gears is a lot more fun in my opinion.
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Anyone who has ever driven both an auto Mustang V8 AND a manual one knows what I mean.
We had auto LX 5.0's for traffic enforcement at my last job..........bbbbboring and sluggish off the line to say the least. Just curious if there are similar problems with the GTO or if they are as good as the F-Bodies auto & manual cars..........
And for the smart asses out there, I know I could go drive both, but I was just looking for some feedback b4 I go and get serious about this.....chances are I won't be buying it locally if I do get one.
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Originally Posted by Crisisman
Lindas GTO was an A4. I seem to recall Mark saying that it was a bit sluggish stock, but a tune from Ellis and removal of all the torque limiting woke it up nicely.
That was pretty much what I was looking for.I have found numerous '05's (new) but 90% or more are A4
If you go to Auburn Valley tell Frankie Cruz that Pat Murphy sent you. It's worth $100 for the referral if you buy! They have a whole bunch of used/new 05/06 cars in a nice range of colors. I seem to recall that most of theirs are M6 as well.
They have a whole bunch of used/new 05/06 cars in a nice range of colors. I seem to recall that most of theirs are M6 as well. 
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Originally Posted by Rottluver
Aside from the fun to drive factor, is the diff between an A4 GTO and an M6 anything major as far as power, track times, driveability, etc? I have had both auto and manual LS1's and know their differences, but I was just curious what the story is on the GTO's.
The cars are affected by heat soak and that can hurt the power in warm weather. A tune helps this and removing the TM makes the car much snappier. Average 05 stock cars trap 100 to 105 depending on weather, driver, etc, and a bolt on car with basic tune removing TM traps 108 to 111. LTs on this car sound great, but parts are fairly expensive.
The M6 to me seems tricky to lanuch, so expect 1.9 to 2.0 short times unless you are a great driver or intent on breaking something. Mid to low 13s with the bolt-ons are common, with a good driver or good 60 ft putting the car in the 12s. Of course you'll hear that stock cars do this, but I think that is the exception, not the average. Great daily driver and let me know if you have any questions on M6. Others willl have to chime in on the auto.
tim87tr is right on.
BTW, Rottluver, take a look at Ryan's car. It's an 04, so no hood scoops, but that is putting down more power than the 05/6 cars and he has a short throw shifter already installed. For the price he's asking it's a GREAT deal.
BTW, Rottluver, take a look at Ryan's car. It's an 04, so no hood scoops, but that is putting down more power than the 05/6 cars and he has a short throw shifter already installed. For the price he's asking it's a GREAT deal.
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M6 driveability is real good. The car does not bog when you are in too high of gear. For example you could take a 20 mph corner in 3rd, or run it up to 100 mph in the same gear. The stock shifter is long throw and soft feel due to the rubber bushing set-up of the shifter (you'd have to see it). A popular upgrade is a GMM ripshifter which is night and day difference in performance and fun, if you go with a M6.
The cars are affected by heat soak and that can hurt the power in warm weather. A tune helps this and removing the TM makes the car much snappier. Average 05 stock cars trap 100 to 105 depending on weather, driver, etc, and a bolt on car with basic tune removing TM traps 108 to 111. LTs on this car sound great, but parts are fairly expensive.
The M6 to me seems tricky to lanuch, so expect 1.9 to 2.0 short times unless you are a great driver or intent on breaking something. Mid to low 13s with the bolt-ons are common, with a good driver or good 60 ft putting the car in the 12s. Of course you'll hear that stock cars do this, but I think that is the exception, not the average. Great daily driver and let me know if you have any questions on M6. Others willl have to chime in on the auto.
The cars are affected by heat soak and that can hurt the power in warm weather. A tune helps this and removing the TM makes the car much snappier. Average 05 stock cars trap 100 to 105 depending on weather, driver, etc, and a bolt on car with basic tune removing TM traps 108 to 111. LTs on this car sound great, but parts are fairly expensive.
The M6 to me seems tricky to lanuch, so expect 1.9 to 2.0 short times unless you are a great driver or intent on breaking something. Mid to low 13s with the bolt-ons are common, with a good driver or good 60 ft putting the car in the 12s. Of course you'll hear that stock cars do this, but I think that is the exception, not the average. Great daily driver and let me know if you have any questions on M6. Others willl have to chime in on the auto.
Originally Posted by Crisisman
tim87tr is right on.
BTW, Rottluver, take a look at Ryan's car. It's an 04, so no hood scoops, but that is putting down more power than the 05/6 cars and he has a short throw shifter already installed. For the price he's asking it's a GREAT deal.
BTW, Rottluver, take a look at Ryan's car. It's an 04, so no hood scoops, but that is putting down more power than the 05/6 cars and he has a short throw shifter already installed. For the price he's asking it's a GREAT deal.
Still doing some checking. But my 1st choice is an LS2 powered Goat. Absolutely nothing against Ryan's car, just personal preference...plus I hate buying the first year of any car/product. : \