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Old 10-13-2007, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Stewart
I got the HD DVD for Xbox 360 last night. Drove to Auburn Hollywood Video to rent some, because no other store around here rents them. I was kinda disappointed to see less than 50 HD titles available, and maybe 100 on Blu Ray. I guess that's how it goes with new stuff. Blockbuster carries only Blu Ray, so the current market looks to be leaning that direction. Maybe I can use that as an excuse to get PS3 and Gamefly for Christmas?

The movie looked real good, it was called Next with Nicolas Cage and Jessica Biel . It still had black bars on the top and bottom. The movie is formatted for 1080p and our set is 720p, but the picture was excellent. I wonder what difference a 1080p screen would bring?

The player cost $179 at BestBuy, and comes with 1 HD movie (King Kong). There is a coupon for 5 more HD movies, but you have to pick from their list of 15 titles. That's linda lame but heck its free. Oh yeah, we're getting a copy of Transformers next week for sure!
Yea some of the older movies were shot in some real wide ratios. I noticed some movies are re scaled to fit the HD TV's ratio, but what happens is the pic is just blown up a bit, then you loose some of the pic from the sides. that's why original ratio/format is better, we get all the info/pic.

The best picture out there currently is the 1080p, this means you see all 2160 lines of resolution at one time, instead of one set of 1080 lines every other frame. Truly 3d like. The japenese are allready watching 3d tv, and they had HD tv about 15 years before we did. Your 720 is comparable to 1080i and only the best eye's could tell the difference, or if you had a 720 and a 1080 side by side.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert56
Yea some of the older movies were shot in some real wide ratios. I noticed some movies are re scaled to fit the HD TV's ratio, but what happens is the pic is just blown up a bit, then you loose some of the pic from the sides. that's why original ratio/format is better, we get all the info/pic.

The best picture out there currently is the 1080p, this means you see all 2160 lines of resolution at one time, instead of one set of 1080 lines every other frame. Truly 3d like. The japenese are allready watching 3d tv, and they had HD tv about 15 years before we did. Your 720 is comparable to 1080i and only the best eye's could tell the difference, or if you had a 720 and a 1080 side by side.
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I don't think thats correct Robert. 1080p scans all 1080 lines at the same time. There's only 1080 lines, not 2160. 1080i scans all the odd lines then all the even lines. 540 at a time.

That's the way I understand it.
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Originally Posted by Rokko
I don't think thats correct Robert. 1080p scans all 1080 lines at the same time. There's only 1080 lines, not 2160. 1080i scans all the odd lines then all the even lines. 540 at a time.

That's the way I understand it.
Yea maybe, it's a little confusing sometimes (early onset senility, lol). I do know that progressive scan doubles the line count seen. So it must be 1080 interlaced see's only 540 lines per frame, then the other 540 lines next frame. Then in progressive scan you see all 1080 lines in each frame. Same then with 480i, 240 lines per frame till ya go progressive then the full 480 lines per frame. Yea, now I remember, lol, thanks. So 720p is all lines at once and thus close to 1080i. I think channel 5 uses 720p, but the high end stations all run 1080i as it's considered a little better. One thing the tv stations are doing, they get a certain alotment of band width, capable of supporting true full 1080i HD. Well some stations are cheating on this and using close to HD pics and adding more stations. Channel 5 has 115, 5, and 105. PBS has about 3 or 4 stations also, channel 9 pbs that is. Watch for the little icons some are showing stating True HD, like Discovery HD, probably the best HD picture on tv, imo.
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Originally Posted by HitmanLSX
Yeah but why would they need to go higher when the human eye can't really distinguish above 30fps? 60fps would just be more space it would need to take up that isn't needed.
Where did you hear this?

You can play games at 30FPS and 60FPS and the difference is monumental.
For movies it makes for a much smoother, less motion blurred image.
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We got Transformers on HD DVD today and it looks fantastic, even on my 720p screen!
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Originally Posted by burnzilla
Where did you hear this?

You can play games at 30FPS and 60FPS and the difference is monumental.
For movies it makes for a much smoother, less motion blurred image.
I guess I was going off old data, or at least the "propaganda" you might say we were told in retail sales . I never really noticed that much of a difference game testing between 30fps and 60fps on the LCD monitors we had at work. Any difference was slight and wasn't enough to convince me that it was really that necessary.
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Transformers at 120Hz is freakin unreal... in a good way...
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Well I guess this settles it! We got the Xbox360 HD-DVD and a PS3, to try both formats. Didn't lose too much at like $179 for the Xbox player, and got 6 free movies with it. We haven't been renting/buying HD movies, because they cost more and the new movies usually look pretty good when played thru an HD player. Upscaling or something like that...

Toshiba appears ready to drop HD DVD business

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****...I bought a Toshiba HD player in Novemeber. Oh well, it was $279 and came with 10 movies. (Good ones too) It will at least up scale. Maybe I'll just buy a PS3 now...
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Originally Posted by Chris Stewart
Ya, I saw that on the news last night. Apparently Walmart is not going to carry HD DVDs anymore either. Looks like Blu-Ray is taking over the lead.
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PS3 here I come! They have an F1 game that's supposed to be pretty good. Plus GT5.

The 360 HD player just dropped to 129.
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I just hope they re-release all the HD-DVD exclusive stuff on blu-ray for us early BR adopters hehe
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Originally Posted by Rokko
PS3 here I come! They have an F1 game that's supposed to be pretty good. Plus GT5.
Yeah the PS3 rocks, it has a couple things over the Xbox. We got the cheaper 40gb model and it's fine for us. It's got built in wireless network that cost 100 to add on Xbox. PS3 has built in Blu-Ray where Xbox had to get HD DVD add on for 179. The playstation network is free, unlike xbox live that is 50 bux every year. That crap adds up to almost another PS3!

We did xbox live trial over christmas and it was down half the time. Alot of network problems to play Halo 3. I havent seen any of those problem with PS3 network. We are into Call of Duty 4 right now, it's a blast. The only problem with that game is you can't take your guests into the online games like you can do with Halo 3.
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Yeah I'm not much of a fan of a lot of the games for the PS3 but we love it as a BR player. I've got too many friends with 360's to warrant buying a lot of games for PS3 that are multi-platform, so we buy only the exclusive stuff for PS3. We ended up getting the 60gb model before they stopped selling it because we still wanted to play the number of PS2/PS1 games we have and the newer models don't have the hardware chip to do them natively. I think they've gone to software emulation like the 360.
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Toshiba has announced they are quitting the HD DVD business.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23204819
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Originally Posted by Chris Stewart
Yeah the PS3 rocks, it has a couple things over the Xbox. We got the cheaper 40gb model and it's fine for us. It's got built in wireless network that cost 100 to add on Xbox. PS3 has built in Blu-Ray where Xbox had to get HD DVD add on for 179. The playstation network is free, unlike xbox live that is 50 bux every year. That crap adds up to almost another PS3!

We did xbox live trial over christmas and it was down half the time. Alot of network problems to play Halo 3. I havent seen any of those problem with PS3 network. We are into Call of Duty 4 right now, it's a blast. The only problem with that game is you can't take your guests into the online games like you can do with Halo 3.
Live always has issues over the holidays. So many people get new machines it's flooded with people hooking up and trying to play and check out the service.

I've been looking at the 40gb version too.



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