GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s
11-11-2002, 07:02 PM
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s "Stephen - your car is awesome, but it is a race car, right? Again, I think GMHTP's shootout is pointed towards - using their words, "strictly for street cars."
And IF that car wasn't a race car I STILL couldn't race it due to my use of company insurance. My other LS1s aren't race cars by any stretch of the imagination but they ARE company insured. So, if I wanted I couldn't bring them either. But, if I wasn't using company insurance I could call the 9 second car a "street car" and run it. See my point? My race car being company insured has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that it's a race car. It's just the kind of insurance that I happen to use with ALL of my vehicles. The whole "no company insurance thing" is a silly way to try to keep out race cars. It simply DOESN'T WORK to that end but it potentially could keep a real street car from being able to play.
Whew! Off my soapbox! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Ya'll have a good race! <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" /> I might come watch and hang out anyway.
And IF that car wasn't a race car I STILL couldn't race it due to my use of company insurance. My other LS1s aren't race cars by any stretch of the imagination but they ARE company insured. So, if I wanted I couldn't bring them either. But, if I wasn't using company insurance I could call the 9 second car a "street car" and run it. See my point? My race car being company insured has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that it's a race car. It's just the kind of insurance that I happen to use with ALL of my vehicles. The whole "no company insurance thing" is a silly way to try to keep out race cars. It simply DOESN'T WORK to that end but it potentially could keep a real street car from being able to play.
Whew! Off my soapbox! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Ya'll have a good race! <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" /> I might come watch and hang out anyway.
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s Johnny, can you post some the rules. For example, I used to be a stock motored car, now, I've got heads and cam change. I can make it pass the noise level, have insurance, have working lights, horns, etc. However, I don't have some things like wipers. I hate how the arms look and never take the car out in the rain. So, what are the rules around things like that?
Also, is the db-level only checked during the burnout, i.e., if it is less than 94 db on the burnout but greater at launch (higher rpm's), is that legal? Thanks. Dave
Also, is the db-level only checked during the burnout, i.e., if it is less than 94 db on the burnout but greater at launch (higher rpm's), is that legal? Thanks. Dave
11-11-2002, 07:31 PM
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s LOL. I can see your point. However, I have also seen many times - such as Mustang "Wild Street" or "True Street" races in which such things do take place. That is likely their premise. Obviously it can potentially hurt some folks - such as yourself.
And truth be told...I bet if you have or had a true street car with company insurance, you could likely get in anyways. Just a bit of explaining is all that would likely be necessary.
No soapbox for me! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
And truth be told...I bet if you have or had a true street car with company insurance, you could likely get in anyways. Just a bit of explaining is all that would likely be necessary.
No soapbox for me! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s Also, what height is the db meter placed and what location from the car? Might have to aim the turndown(s) a certain way. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I just would want to come and play more so than trying to win a certain class. I'm sure a lot of us are that way but do not want to get all the way out there only to get told to hit the road.
I just would want to come and play more so than trying to win a certain class. I'm sure a lot of us are that way but do not want to get all the way out there only to get told to hit the road.
11-11-2002, 07:42 PM
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s Man I could do it cept for the rollcage thing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> . I bet I could pass off a 10.5 maybe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> . Is there a car show lol. I could go but I would have to ether start late or let off at the end lol.
11-11-2002, 09:25 PM
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s Just to clarify a few things...
The noise rule is not mine, it is the track's. (Thanks Bob for backing me up on this.)
Since we trade track rentals for ad space, it's not viable to run this deal at another track.
However...
...if someone will volunteer to rent a 1/4-mile track for the entire day (and the following day as a rain-out date too), and pay our staff's travel expenses, we would consider moving the invitational shootout. I hear Chicagoland and Mid-Michigan are pretty nice that time of year, but Memphis and St. Louis are cool too ('cause we can road race...)
This is an invitational deal, not an open race. We will take all the applicants in our file--most likely sometime in April or May--and call them up for the invite. We will invite just the driver/owner and one crew member. Unfortunately, we can't make any exceptions to this because it's a closed rental and the track will not allow a huge herd of folks inside.
Tony, C'mon dude! Road trip! You're practically a shoo-in (pending the invite of course). We had LT1 guys with less cash make that trip last year. Just think of it as Hot Rod Power Tour or Car Craft RSE, only cooler!
And a shout out to Pro Stock John--Thanks for hooking me up with Izzo! I'm really pumped.
Ohh, forgot. I'm not arrogant, just ask me!
The noise rule is not mine, it is the track's. (Thanks Bob for backing me up on this.)
Since we trade track rentals for ad space, it's not viable to run this deal at another track.
However...
...if someone will volunteer to rent a 1/4-mile track for the entire day (and the following day as a rain-out date too), and pay our staff's travel expenses, we would consider moving the invitational shootout. I hear Chicagoland and Mid-Michigan are pretty nice that time of year, but Memphis and St. Louis are cool too ('cause we can road race...)
This is an invitational deal, not an open race. We will take all the applicants in our file--most likely sometime in April or May--and call them up for the invite. We will invite just the driver/owner and one crew member. Unfortunately, we can't make any exceptions to this because it's a closed rental and the track will not allow a huge herd of folks inside.
Tony, C'mon dude! Road trip! You're practically a shoo-in (pending the invite of course). We had LT1 guys with less cash make that trip last year. Just think of it as Hot Rod Power Tour or Car Craft RSE, only cooler!
And a shout out to Pro Stock John--Thanks for hooking me up with Izzo! I'm really pumped.
Ohh, forgot. I'm not arrogant, just ask me!
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s Wipers are not that big a deal, but it did rain at the end of our last shootout....actually it was more like a monsoon. On insurance, that specific car with VIN needs to be stated on the policy, regardless of type. A business coverage is okay as long as the specific vehicle in question is named by VIN.
On dB, please refer to E-town's testing procedure for specifics, as we will be doing the same. We understand variations in track configurations can have an impact on dB readings. We'll fall back on full rear exiting exhaust if someone is one or two dB over. Open Borlas will need to be capped (unless they're quiet enough).
Usually, the burnout is by far the loudest part, so that's when you need to measure most carefully. If you want to drive all the way without testing, that's okay, but you obviously won't have a high level of confidence and could get kicked. $35 on a dB meter is a small price for peace of mind.
On dB, please refer to E-town's testing procedure for specifics, as we will be doing the same. We understand variations in track configurations can have an impact on dB readings. We'll fall back on full rear exiting exhaust if someone is one or two dB over. Open Borlas will need to be capped (unless they're quiet enough).
Usually, the burnout is by far the loudest part, so that's when you need to measure most carefully. If you want to drive all the way without testing, that's okay, but you obviously won't have a high level of confidence and could get kicked. $35 on a dB meter is a small price for peace of mind.
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s I like the idea and it would be a hoot if I could be part of it.Car is too slow and it's too far away. To those who are bitchin about the rules-whaaaaaaay,cry some more and stay home! Can't please all the people all time! <img border="0" alt="[fight]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" />
11-12-2002, 02:53 AM
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s It sure sounds like a blast. Any idea on what day of the week it will fall on? Are there any tire requirements (DOT)? How far is Houston from Jersey? I'd have to steal the wifes' daily driver to do it , but I'm sure she'd get over it. If I'm "selected" any of you Houston guys want to be my "one man crew"? Out of curiosity, what's gain besides magazine exposure and racing fun? Thanks!
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TXCAMSS:
<strong>Any idea on what day of the week it will fall on?</strong>
We ran on a Thursday last time.
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Are there any tire requirements (DOT)?
</strong>
any tire you want
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How far is Houston from Jersey? </strong>
About 1,600 miles.
<strong>Out of curiosity, what's gain besides magazine exposure and racing fun? </strong>
Free pizza
Personal satisfaction
Bragging rights
Did I mention free pizza?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
<strong>Any idea on what day of the week it will fall on?</strong>
We ran on a Thursday last time.
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Are there any tire requirements (DOT)?
</strong>
any tire you want
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How far is Houston from Jersey? </strong>
About 1,600 miles.
<strong>Out of curiosity, what's gain besides magazine exposure and racing fun? </strong>
Free pizza
Personal satisfaction
Bragging rights
Did I mention free pizza?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
11-12-2002, 09:26 AM
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s April or May!?! Dang! This event, the fbody.org one, and the LS1tech Nothern shootout are all in the same time frame! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Guess it's better to have more events than none at all! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Hey Jim! Thanks for letting us know about this. Seems like everyone goes through this rule bashing thing everytime an event comes up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Personally, I am just happy people are taking the time to create events that give us the opportunity to race and have some fun.
I'm gonna have to get some pictures of my car and send my info. in.
Anyone have any idea how I can actually get my car to look Purple in pictures??? I don't think pictures do the car justice. All the 35mm pictures I have make the car look blue. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> I think the one in my sig is pretty good, but that one is digital.
-Priscilla
<small>[ November 12, 2002, 09:27 AM: Message edited by: FASTR A4 ]</small>
Hey Jim! Thanks for letting us know about this. Seems like everyone goes through this rule bashing thing everytime an event comes up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Personally, I am just happy people are taking the time to create events that give us the opportunity to race and have some fun.
I'm gonna have to get some pictures of my car and send my info. in.
Anyone have any idea how I can actually get my car to look Purple in pictures??? I don't think pictures do the car justice. All the 35mm pictures I have make the car look blue. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> I think the one in my sig is pretty good, but that one is digital.
-Priscilla
<small>[ November 12, 2002, 09:27 AM: Message edited by: FASTR A4 ]</small>
11-12-2002, 09:33 AM
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s Don't worry about getting your paint to look just right, I can vouch for you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> We'll do our best to make sure the shootout doesn't conflict with either of the other events, especially since I want to run in the Fbody.org event <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
The idea behind holding ours on a Thursday this year was that we then had Friday as a rain date.
The idea behind holding ours on a Thursday this year was that we then had Friday as a rain date.
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jim@GMHTP:
<strong>Wipers are not that big a deal, but it did rain at the end of our last shootout....actually it was more like a monsoon. On insurance, that specific car with VIN needs to be stated on the policy, regardless of type. A business coverage is okay as long as the specific vehicle in question is named by VIN.
On dB, please refer to E-town's testing procedure for specifics, as we will be doing the same. We understand variations in track configurations can have an impact on dB readings. We'll fall back on full rear exiting exhaust if someone is one or two dB over. Open Borlas will need to be capped (unless they're quiet enough).
Usually, the burnout is by far the loudest part, so that's when you need to measure most carefully. If you want to drive all the way without testing, that's okay, but you obviously won't have a high level of confidence and could get kicked. $35 on a dB meter is a small price for peace of mind.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, but the testing procedure does not say how high the meter is off the ground. With a bottom-exiting exhaust, if the meter is up in the air, say 4 ft in someone's hand or on a stand, it may mean a lot vs. being on the ground.
So, for the rules...meet the db level, insurance requirements, and safety rules, and you can play.
<strong>Wipers are not that big a deal, but it did rain at the end of our last shootout....actually it was more like a monsoon. On insurance, that specific car with VIN needs to be stated on the policy, regardless of type. A business coverage is okay as long as the specific vehicle in question is named by VIN.
On dB, please refer to E-town's testing procedure for specifics, as we will be doing the same. We understand variations in track configurations can have an impact on dB readings. We'll fall back on full rear exiting exhaust if someone is one or two dB over. Open Borlas will need to be capped (unless they're quiet enough).
Usually, the burnout is by far the loudest part, so that's when you need to measure most carefully. If you want to drive all the way without testing, that's okay, but you obviously won't have a high level of confidence and could get kicked. $35 on a dB meter is a small price for peace of mind.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, but the testing procedure does not say how high the meter is off the ground. With a bottom-exiting exhaust, if the meter is up in the air, say 4 ft in someone's hand or on a stand, it may mean a lot vs. being on the ground.
So, for the rules...meet the db level, insurance requirements, and safety rules, and you can play.
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s The meter will be held in someone's hand at approximately waist level. I don't know how high that is for you, but if it's me, figure about 3.5 feet.
11-12-2002, 01:10 PM
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Johnny Hunkins:
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And a shout out to Pro Stock John--Thanks for hooking me up with Izzo! I'm really pumped.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No problemo Johnnito.
Guys, GMHTP's LT1 shootout had similar rules so these need to be in parallel.
Pris, let me know if I can help in anyway I'd like to see Chitown get represented.
On that note, I am willing to get my car to fit these rules too. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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And a shout out to Pro Stock John--Thanks for hooking me up with Izzo! I'm really pumped.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No problemo Johnnito.
Guys, GMHTP's LT1 shootout had similar rules so these need to be in parallel.
Pris, let me know if I can help in anyway I'd like to see Chitown get represented.
On that note, I am willing to get my car to fit these rules too. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s what kind of safety requirements are there going to be? you say this is a street car shootout, well my street car doesnt have a rollcage and is going mid 11s. technically that requires one, but comon, how many street cars in the 11s have roll cages.
pris, theres some pictures of your car here: http://j7.ee.pitt.edu/pictures/pugsfest/
pris, theres some pictures of your car here: http://j7.ee.pitt.edu/pictures/pugsfest/
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Re: GMHTP is doing another shootout and looking for LS1s All the street cars running at our shootout will have the appropriate safety equipment for their ET and speed, including rollbars and driveshaft loops.
Nobody's complained about the free pizza yet. There's got to be someone out there that would rather have subs for lunch <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
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Nobody's complained about the free pizza yet. There's got to be someone out there that would rather have subs for lunch <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
<small>[ November 12, 2002, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: Jim@GMHTP ]</small>