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Old Oct 31, 2008 | 11:42 PM
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Someone was saying that shouldn't go 3 bar unless going to the mid to upper twenties..
And that it would not work well at say 12 or 15 psi. I dont' think will ever go past 15psi anyway but thought it would be good to have the 3 bar for the extra headroom. So was I wrong just go 2 bar and then only 3 when have to and will 3bar run crappy at 18 to 20psi?

This stuff is getting confusing.
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Old Nov 1, 2008 | 05:17 AM
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2 bar is up to 14psi. 3 bar is up to 28psi

if your going to run 18psi you should use the 3 bar os.

it will only be crappy if the tuner has no idea what they are doing
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Old Nov 1, 2008 | 06:23 AM
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Not speaking from experience but I have read on here multiple times that you can run a 2-bar all the way to 19 and 20psi; it will just require a knowledgable tuner to get it there. From what I understand, the MAP sensors run on 1-5 volts so you are increasing the sensitivity on the 3-bar, which means a 2-bar will actually drive better since you have a larger window of voltage per pound of boost. 2-bar = .33volts per pound of boost. 3-bar = .17. Way more sensitive with less area for error.
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Old Nov 1, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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Not speaking from experience but I have read on here multiple times that you can run a 2-bar all the way to 19 and 20psi; it will just require a knowledgable tuner to get it there. From what I understand, the MAP sensors run on 1-5 volts so you are increasing the sensitivity on the 3-bar, which means a 2-bar will actually drive better since you have a larger window of voltage per pound of boost. 2-bar = .33volts per pound of boost. 3-bar = .17. Way more sensitive with less area for error.
You are correct in your thinking. If your only thinking your gona run a few psi over 15, then a 2 bar is fine. If just runs a little rich in the 15 to 18-20 range, or what ever boost your looking for. And really, your not going to be setting in that range for any lenth of time, more just passing though it to get to your peek boost. You just tune your AFR for your peek boost and let it be what it is in the middle from 15+. Make since?
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Yeah, all of the above is true, you're still talking about a 0-5 volt sensor, 1 bar will be the most accurate, then 2 bar, then 3 bar. If you can get away with a 2 bar sensor use it for the most accurate readings. If you are planning to run 18, 19, 20psi or more 3 bar would be the way to go.

Someone posted the accuracy each sensor I think 1 bar was within 2%, 2 bar was about +/- 4% and 3 bar was about 6-8% out +/-

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Originally Posted by SStolen
Not speaking from experience but I have read on here multiple times that you can run a 2-bar all the way to 19 and 20psi; it will just require a knowledgable tuner to get it there. From what I understand, the MAP sensors run on 1-5 volts so you are increasing the sensitivity on the 3-bar, which means a 2-bar will actually drive better since you have a larger window of voltage per pound of boost. 2-bar = .33volts per pound of boost. 3-bar = .17. Way more sensitive with less area for error.
ive run 20psi on 2 bar sensors and it works fine, just runs rich as already been said,

you get a much better tune by running a 3 bar setup tho
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