HP Tuners users heads up
The credits are used based off of the OSID so the 02 file would have a diff OSID than the 00. same thing will happen if you ever have that computer factory flashed/updated or have to get another one with a different update. it will ask you to use more credits to license
The credits are used based off of the OSID so the 02 file would have a diff OSID than the 00. same thing will happen if you ever have that computer factory flashed/updated or have to get another one with a different update. it will ask you to use more credits to license
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The credit issue is one of reasons there are almost two dozen people working on creating software to read and write the P01 and P59 pcm as well as creating a data base of definition files for use with programs like tuner pro.
There is no longer any new content or COS's being added for these pcm's but they are still charging the same as if these were current pcm's. Had prices gone down on older pcm's or restrictions been relaxed as they are no longer current I don't think many people including myself would have had any issues.
When a movie is considered a "New Release" stores charge a premium price but as it gets older the movie goes down in value. This is what SHOULD have happened with licensing older pcm's but because it costs as much to license a 1999 pcm now as it did 10 years ago.... people have grown tried of this and that's what's leading to the creation of alternative tools being developed.
There is no longer any new content or COS's being added for these pcm's but they are still charging the same as if these were current pcm's. Had prices gone down on older pcm's or restrictions been relaxed as they are no longer current I don't think many people including myself would have had any issues.
When a movie is considered a "New Release" stores charge a premium price but as it gets older the movie goes down in value. This is what SHOULD have happened with licensing older pcm's but because it costs as much to license a 1999 pcm now as it did 10 years ago.... people have grown tried of this and that's what's leading to the creation of alternative tools being developed.
That doesnt make much sense.
A hand held for a 99 is the same price as for a 2009 in that respect.
They do have credit turn in setups also where if you use enough individual credits you can have them combined for unlimited x platform...well USED to. Not sure if they still support that or not.
You may not realize but with the Vendor agreement if you purchase the interface from a company they can sell you extra credits at up to 10% off retail i believe instead of $99. Only credits though. Instead of purchasing direct from hpt all the time at normal retail.
A hand held for a 99 is the same price as for a 2009 in that respect.
They do have credit turn in setups also where if you use enough individual credits you can have them combined for unlimited x platform...well USED to. Not sure if they still support that or not.
You may not realize but with the Vendor agreement if you purchase the interface from a company they can sell you extra credits at up to 10% off retail i believe instead of $99. Only credits though. Instead of purchasing direct from hpt all the time at normal retail.
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That doesnt make much sense.
A hand held for a 99 is the same price as for a 2009 in that respect.
They do have credit turn in setups also where if you use enough individual credits you can have them combined for unlimited x platform...well USED to. Not sure if they still support that or not.
You may not realize but with the Vendor agreement if you purchase the interface from a company they can sell you extra credits at up to 10% off retail i believe instead of $99. Only credits though. Instead of purchasing direct from hpt all the time at normal retail.
A hand held for a 99 is the same price as for a 2009 in that respect.
They do have credit turn in setups also where if you use enough individual credits you can have them combined for unlimited x platform...well USED to. Not sure if they still support that or not.
You may not realize but with the Vendor agreement if you purchase the interface from a company they can sell you extra credits at up to 10% off retail i believe instead of $99. Only credits though. Instead of purchasing direct from hpt all the time at normal retail.
Hp tuners chose greed, they have gone relatively unchallenged in years...YEARS. EFI Live shifted the majority of their resource to the Diesel performance market and while they still support gas stuff with a MUCH better licensing system for the end user then HP does it's no longer their focus. Tuner Cats sold out to Jet more then a decade ago so they are no longer any real threat to companies like Hp or Efi Live, however if they had remained avaible to the public it'd be interesting to see where the tuning market would have gone. They proved you don't need to sell a per pcm or per OS license to stay in business....because they are still around and tuning brand new vehicles under the CATS name.
I also don't feel that hand held tuners have ever been in the same class of tuning as products like Hpt, Efi, Cats Ls1 edit etc. People that choose a handheld are only minor changes not full blown tuning.
We dont sell alot of credits and that isnt my dog in this fight so to speak.
There is still custom diablosport and sct tuning as well. Those work very well and offer better interfaces in some aspect than hptuners as they sre pass through handhelds that can also store/work with hptuners.
And efi live brought their passthrough technology to market a while back also. blackbear uses it alot to tune with and works well also. takes very little interaction for the customer also which is simple.
So your reason seems VERY unlikely at all.
You can get custom tunes direct from diablosport also if you ask. There are many options that are all in the same price range. Hpt has the best tuning options out there in my experience for alot of people but some prefer efi live, some that do ford and gm alot prefer sct and some prefer CMR from diablosport. Those are just mainstream optiont not to mention tiny tuner and a few others.
There is still custom diablosport and sct tuning as well. Those work very well and offer better interfaces in some aspect than hptuners as they sre pass through handhelds that can also store/work with hptuners.
And efi live brought their passthrough technology to market a while back also. blackbear uses it alot to tune with and works well also. takes very little interaction for the customer also which is simple.
So your reason seems VERY unlikely at all.
You can get custom tunes direct from diablosport also if you ask. There are many options that are all in the same price range. Hpt has the best tuning options out there in my experience for alot of people but some prefer efi live, some that do ford and gm alot prefer sct and some prefer CMR from diablosport. Those are just mainstream optiont not to mention tiny tuner and a few others.
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I have used both EFI live and hpt and both sit in my garage and whenever someone needs a car tuned I recommend EFI live. Licensing and especially the support has been much better in my experience.
Efilive decided to keep their platform aussie/new zealand based and got screwed over big time by the currency differences and changed prices quite a bit. Their streams can be pretty expensive also.
They each have their merits.
They each have their merits.
I dont have any issues with HPT. They are offering so much as far as tune options now and the ngauge and a few other things. I dont like their mpvi2 or anything past 2.25 so thats what i use.
Its actually just a std unit also so no black box or inputs. i can dial in afr remotely from a scan and video of wideband though to toot my own horn.
Its actually just a std unit also so no black box or inputs. i can dial in afr remotely from a scan and video of wideband though to toot my own horn.
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I have issues with HPT.
1) The new interface is all screwy. Costing me time and money.
2) Promised features never turn up, or when they do they are very buggy (RTT, user defined outputs)
3) They rely on a user based tech support model to educate new customers, but continually milk their experienced users for every penny ---the same folks who are teaching the new customers. It's set up a "why bother" mentality.
4) New model vehicles are ridiculously expensive to license.
I could go on, but it really comes down to this. If they intend to push back against the large automakers intentions to make all onboard diagnostics IP and limit access to it to factory tuning suites, well they need our goodwill. Then need us to push for "right to repair laws"
Right now they are not garnering any goodwill. They are shitting where they eat. Making it hard for professional tuners and amateurs alike to get the features they really want.
1) The new interface is all screwy. Costing me time and money.
2) Promised features never turn up, or when they do they are very buggy (RTT, user defined outputs)
3) They rely on a user based tech support model to educate new customers, but continually milk their experienced users for every penny ---the same folks who are teaching the new customers. It's set up a "why bother" mentality.
4) New model vehicles are ridiculously expensive to license.
I could go on, but it really comes down to this. If they intend to push back against the large automakers intentions to make all onboard diagnostics IP and limit access to it to factory tuning suites, well they need our goodwill. Then need us to push for "right to repair laws"
Right now they are not garnering any goodwill. They are shitting where they eat. Making it hard for professional tuners and amateurs alike to get the features they really want.
As far as the legislature, maybe you should look at the entire aftermarket instead of pointing the finger right at hpt.
Mapping all the new models/computers does take time and how do you think they log hours there?
Its just like alot of places have to charge more initially if they were to buy a cnc machine for something and then normally bill hrs to the machine also. Its how alot of industries work not just hptuners.
As far as the other features, mine works just fine and does all i need for gen3 and 4 and even 8.1 and a few dirtymaxes.
Im not saying you are wrong, but there are many that dont have such a huge issue with it. 2 points of view.
Mapping all the new models/computers does take time and how do you think they log hours there?
Its just like alot of places have to charge more initially if they were to buy a cnc machine for something and then normally bill hrs to the machine also. Its how alot of industries work not just hptuners.
As far as the other features, mine works just fine and does all i need for gen3 and 4 and even 8.1 and a few dirtymaxes.
Im not saying you are wrong, but there are many that dont have such a huge issue with it. 2 points of view.