So any info? It's now available and I'm wondering if it's worth getting. I need to order "a" tuner to do my Silverado and I'm thinking of just getting the new EFILive to use it on both the truck and the Camaro (it says it has two open slots and is not vehicle specific software).....

 

Myself and HumpinSS have been working with this since it became available the other day. I see a lot of good points and a few drawbacks as well. Check out their website.

 

Hmmm.....seeing the last few posts(treads) about this have disappeared since Friday I'd like to know too.

 

EFILive is pricey compared to HP which is not limited to the # of vehicles but instead is model year specific compared to EFILive which limits the # of vehicles to two and is not model specific. Each has its advantages and disadvantages.

So unless there is some killer functionality in Flashscan compared to HP tuners, IMO HP is the better deal unless you are upgrading to Flashscan. Upgrading is somewhat cheaper but you only get licenses. IMO concerning resale value, HP is clearly the better deal.

As for me, since I have EFILive V6, the Flashscan upgrade is cheaper (but I'm still waiting as I have a 98 and it isn't released yet). But waiting might be a benefit. I'll get two months of comparison opinion from you guys as to whether it's as good as HP tuners.

IMO I still think the biggest untapped market is a device which is a mix between HP/EFIlive and the handheld by Vincii/Crane. Flashscan and HP is too much, but in some cases the Vincii isn't enough.

But if Vincii and Crane continue to add baseline tunes to their database then ideally I can load a tune based on my modifications and then fine tune by pushing some buttons. That's what most of need, IMO. In addition with the Vinci we don't need to lug around a heavy 8 lb laptop.

http://www.vincihighperformance.com/...TS%20PAGE.HTML

 

The main trade off in this area is the upgrades. HP Tuners has 6months of software upgrades for free, then it is $99 a year for updates. EFI Live offers constant and ongoing free updates after your inital purchase.


In this aspect of the program, I believe EFI Live has the upper hand. It is designed with a windows base. Everything is accessible from a folder and easy to locate and change. Also, EFI Live has 4 different Maps/Pivot Tables/Histograms that you can choose from. With this feature you are allowed to plot and 3 PIDS against each other. Basically you can have a graph and table for a unlimited amount of parameters.

Very True. According to Paul, we are still looking at December for a final Product. I have had the opportunity of using HP Tuners and really do like it and the features it offers. When a version of FlashScan is available that will allow full access of the program, we will be able to give better feedback.

IMO, this is a totally different market. Most of us users aren't entry level anymore. We have had the opportunity to use Edit and Hp Tuners and want something with more features. Granted, this is awsome for normal people that don't have a comfortable feeling with more advanced options.

Myself and HumpinSS have been discussing over the past week the pros and cons of both products. He has had Edit and Hptuners and we both see advantages and disadvantages of the existing products offered and ones comming out. One main feature is VINS. You can either have unlimited VINs of a CERTAIN model and the same year with Hp Tuners or 2 VINS of ANY vehicle with FlashScan. This comes into play if you want to go in with some buddies. Personally all of my friends have years ranging from 98-02 so the only Benefit for me on that would be FlashScan, while others might have 6 friends with 02's and Tuners would be more beneficial.

EFI Live FlashScan should be available sometime before the first of the year according to the website. If anyone is interested in this, several of our Sponsors offer EFI Live Products.

JMO

 

So if i have EFI Live 5 i can upgrade to EFI live FlashScan for free? Also would the EFI FlashScan replaces my LS1Edit for tuning my car? I just hate the fact that i have to switch between the two software and cables to tune or change some settings in my car.

 

Check out our announcement here: https://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagnostics-tuning/238868-hptuners-new-pricing-announcement.html

You can trade in your Carputing And EFI cables to upgrade to HP Tuners VCM suite. Our trade-in price makes it $149 to purchase STD interface or $299 for EIO.

Our software has both data logging and VCM editing capabilities all in one package.

http://www.hptuners.com

- Keith, HP Tuners

 

I did send u an E-mail about it with the pricing of $250 for EFIlive and $200 for LS1Edit instead of $350 for both.... U said your prices were firm and i understand that. Im going to check the HPtuner tomorrow since we are going to use it to tune my car and see how i like it. If its really worth losing all that money from both the EFILive and LS1edit then i might think about it, but if EFILive 7 going to have logging and tuning capabilities i might just stay with them and sell the LS1Edit.

 

Correct, FlashScan will replace your LS1 Edit for tuning the car. You would have one cable that would do both.

If you have EFI Live Std, you can upgrade to FlashScan for $299. $199 if you own the Pro Version. If you choose not to upgrade, you are still going to receive V7 of the EFI Live Scanner free. You can update to V6 now also if you want. When it becomes available, I am sure you may purchase it from one of our sponsors. >>>>>>

 

Sell your edit for $200 to offset the difference of the upgrade to FlashScan.

 

Nice.... So i can just sell my LS1Edit and im about even. I will wait for the EFILive FlashScan before i make my decision

 

U beat me to what i was thinking lol.

 

Personally, I think all the softwares available are like shooting dice. "try this, see if it works". Most of us are not hardcore PC wizz kids and not idiots at the same time.
Software should be easy to use and should come with literature that is in Lehman terms.
As usual, this is a business, it is not that it can't be done, but they make it difficult so the tuning biz stays alive. Technology is there so any average Joe could injoy tuning his/her machine, but NOOO, it has to be so only a handfull can ever have enough time to descript all the parameters.
And also as usual, politics have to play a role in it.

 

Perhaps this is why EFILive is the ONLY one of the laptop based tuner packages to offer a useable demo for free download.

Reminds me of a time many years ago when I had my first car and I went out to purchase a stereo for it...I only had about $100 to spend and after searching high and low I found a great 'made in china' system...I asked the sales guy "can I listen before I purchase it", he said to me "if we let people listen before they bought it we'd never sell any"

 

He didnt let you listen to it cause it sucked ***

 

You see my point then.

 

But who in their right mind would pay 200 bux for LS1 Edit other than as a trade in?

LS1 Edit... sell for 200 ... costs 250 to add an extra license ... same price as buying new

 

I have LS1Edit and the OLLLLLLLLLLDDDDDDDDDDD Auto Tap (v 1.1 I think).....is there any "deal" if I send them my stuff and get the new EFILive scan/tuner?

 

Chris,
Migrate over to the EFILive website (I hope that it’s OK to say that much since I’ve been censored twice this week for posting a link to their News web page which describes their special introductory pricing, their free upgrade policies, etc). Now, TByrne Motorsports at http://www.tbyrne.com/ and Thunder Racing at http://www.thunderracing.com are both excellent sponsors of this website and they both sell EFILive products.

See for yourself. Consider your options. Make your own decisions.

All my best,

Steve

 

I've used a lot of the software out there, and I must say I'm very impressed with the EFI Live scan tool. Its definitely the most complete scan tool targeted to our vehicles that I've seen. With the FlashScan tuning tool being integrated with their EFI Live scan tool, I'm sure it'll be a very nice package. I'm anxious to get ahold of it and put it through its paces.