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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 06:46 PM
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I am getting some bucking from 1350 to 1900 RPM when at 0% TP. Should I increase the spark below 2K? Has anyone else fixed a bucking problem? I have a WB and have my VE table close. I was thinking of going to Open Loop SD all the time. I already removed my MAF. It sure is running better except for the bucking...

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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 07:01 PM
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Bill - I assume you are into the fine-tuning of the VE table. Try filtering your FTC's. I've noticed in the area of bucking, the BEN values are compromised by overlapping FTC 20 and FTC 22
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 07:37 PM
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raise the timing in that area
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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 07:56 AM
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Bill - I assume you are into the fine-tuning of the VE table. Try filtering your FTC's. I've noticed in the area of bucking, the BEN values are compromised by overlapping FTC 20 and FTC 22
How do I filter my FTC's?
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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:12 AM
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ok sorry for the n00b question but what are FTC's and what is the BEN values?
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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:54 AM
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FTC's are fuel trim cells the computer uses for different driving conditions and ben is base efficiency numerator or a factor derived from Actual AFR/Commanded afr
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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 11:09 AM
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main thing is to make sure that he idle tables and high octane dont change by drastic amounts in those areas. what happens when you go from ftc 20-22, you switch timing table, doing that will create some bucking.

getting all the idle airflow set up correctly is important as well.

you have to find the fine line between spark and fuel, toomuch fuel will make it run like **** as will too much spark. same with not enough. adding timing will lean it out. i would start with making sure the ve is set ok in those areas, may have to lean it out. then move to the timing and make sure it is all in line.


TAQuickness, is filtering FTCs something in efi live?
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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by WS6FirebirdTA00
main thing is to make sure that he idle tables and high octane dont change by drastic amounts in those areas. what happens when you go from ftc 20-22, you switch timing table, doing that will create some bucking.

getting all the idle airflow set up correctly is important as well.

you have to find the fine line between spark and fuel, toomuch fuel will make it run like **** as will too much spark. same with not enough. adding timing will lean it out. i would start with making sure the ve is set ok in those areas, may have to lean it out. then move to the timing and make sure it is all in line.


TAQuickness, is filtering FTCs something in efi live?

Yes EFILive offers this feature
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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 11:26 AM
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what exactly does the filtering do? the more i hear about efi live the more i want it...
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"Once you start down the [efilive] path, forever will it dominate you"

Filtering does all kinds of cool ****. Most importantly, it allows you to tune with out the need for spreadsheets or database's.
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bill - I don't have time to dig it up right now, but take a look at EFILive's forum. There is some good info there about filtering the FTC's.
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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TAQuickness
bill - I don't have time to dig it up right now, but take a look at EFILive's forum. There is some good info there about filtering the FTC's.
Thanks I will.

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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TAQuickness
bill - I don't have time to dig it up right now, but take a look at EFILive's forum. There is some good info there about filtering the FTC's.
Bill here's a thread with some filter info from GMPX, Blacky et al.

http://www.efilive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1942
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Replied and bumped you Bink
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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HumpinSS
Replied and bumped you Bink
Same.
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Changed the spark and it did help the bucking some. It still has some.
Still working on it. Maybe my new PCM OS will help.

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Old Aug 18, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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bill - have you had any luck by filtering your FTC's?
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Old Aug 18, 2005 | 10:03 PM
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what is the major advantage to efilive?
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Old Aug 18, 2005 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pyro
what is the major advantage to efilive?
Sounds like a good question to get this thread locked.

I'm not touching it
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Old Aug 19, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Bowling
Changed the spark and it did help the bucking some. It still has some.
Still working on it. Maybe my new PCM OS will help.

Bill

Bill , do you have spark smoothing turned off , give it a shot with it turned back on , helps heaps on cammed stuff usually.
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