EFIlive w/Flashscan over HPTuners - Which One to Buy?????
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Just a reminder (thus far not needed... and I thank you guys)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....36&postcount=3
I've used HPT since early 2004 on both my GTP and TA... have been very happy... I'm a beta tester for 2.0 and am even happiers
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....36&postcount=3
I've used HPT since early 2004 on both my GTP and TA... have been very happy... I'm a beta tester for 2.0 and am even happiers
I am officially sold on EFI live. A friend of mine used one of his licenses to tune my car.
A big selling point is the data logger, you don't need to carry the laptop computer with you. Its just a little thing with a button you push, you then upload it into the computer and voila watch your run. A friend of mine came over and demo'd it to me, we looked at my tune and what the car was doing in real time, pretty cool stuff. We would datalog my w.o.t runs on the street and play back frame by frame to see injector rate, iat, knock retard, shift points etc.
I like that you can pick a different tire size and it will automatically adjust all the tables for shift points where HP tuners won't.
There's lot of neat stuff which I'm sure HP Tuners has but the datalogger that plugs into the port and logs a minute worth of data is just the ****!
I beat on my car for literally 2 hours straight doing about 20 or so w.o.t runs. My iat never went above 90 degrees, I run 19.5 degrees of timing with 0-0.7 degrees knock retard, (think its false knock from my y pipe).
My car is running like a fucken raped ape now, it was running hard with 2 passengers in the car!! .Anything less than 70 mph is just spin city.
Starts up and holds a rock steady idle despite the moderately big cam.
Oh and my friend said you get lifetime upgrades to the software which is another plus.
I'm sold, I'll be placing an order as soon as my laptop gets back from being fixed.
I'm a happy camper.
A big selling point is the data logger, you don't need to carry the laptop computer with you. Its just a little thing with a button you push, you then upload it into the computer and voila watch your run. A friend of mine came over and demo'd it to me, we looked at my tune and what the car was doing in real time, pretty cool stuff. We would datalog my w.o.t runs on the street and play back frame by frame to see injector rate, iat, knock retard, shift points etc.
I like that you can pick a different tire size and it will automatically adjust all the tables for shift points where HP tuners won't.
There's lot of neat stuff which I'm sure HP Tuners has but the datalogger that plugs into the port and logs a minute worth of data is just the ****!
I beat on my car for literally 2 hours straight doing about 20 or so w.o.t runs. My iat never went above 90 degrees, I run 19.5 degrees of timing with 0-0.7 degrees knock retard, (think its false knock from my y pipe).
My car is running like a fucken raped ape now, it was running hard with 2 passengers in the car!! .Anything less than 70 mph is just spin city.
Starts up and holds a rock steady idle despite the moderately big cam. Oh and my friend said you get lifetime upgrades to the software which is another plus.
I'm sold, I'll be placing an order as soon as my laptop gets back from being fixed.
I'm a happy camper.
Great info! In reality, I like both programs - I've looked over the examples and the software downloads time after time - but it doesn't let you know all the little 'niceties' of each program you almost have to talk to someone that uses both to get a firsthand rundown.
I really only plan on tuning my own car - so multiple licenses is not an issue (I barely have time for the one car).
The SD tuning is, of course, a must, but I like to be able to tune for SC setup possibly in the future.
Horist- I was in NO way trying to start a pissing match over this post. I just wanted to make a more educated decision as to which tuner to choose. I hate to throw around $600-700 needlessly.
Experience has shown this as I first had a Hypertech (back in the day), then got rid of that for a Predator (so I could actually get custom tunes). But a 'mail order/email' tune can never be as good as actually tuning the car while test driving, or on the dyno.
Don't get me wrong, the last two products I mentioned were very good for what they were meant for - just outgrown all that.
With all the upcoming new aspects to the HPTuners that are to be released - it makes the decision harder
I guess I can chill for a little while to see what HPTuners has up their sleeve (since it's going to be winter here soon - and there will be no road testing)
Thanx for the opinions/info so far guys - can't get any better than LS1Tech!
I really only plan on tuning my own car - so multiple licenses is not an issue (I barely have time for the one car).
The SD tuning is, of course, a must, but I like to be able to tune for SC setup possibly in the future.
Horist- I was in NO way trying to start a pissing match over this post. I just wanted to make a more educated decision as to which tuner to choose. I hate to throw around $600-700 needlessly.
Experience has shown this as I first had a Hypertech (back in the day), then got rid of that for a Predator (so I could actually get custom tunes). But a 'mail order/email' tune can never be as good as actually tuning the car while test driving, or on the dyno.
Don't get me wrong, the last two products I mentioned were very good for what they were meant for - just outgrown all that.
With all the upcoming new aspects to the HPTuners that are to be released - it makes the decision harder
I guess I can chill for a little while to see what HPTuners has up their sleeve (since it's going to be winter here soon - and there will be no road testing)
Thanx for the opinions/info so far guys - can't get any better than LS1Tech!
Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
I like that you can pick a different tire size and it will automatically adjust all the tables for shift points where HP tuners won't.
Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
I beat on my car for literally 2 hours straight doing about 20 or so w.o.t runs. My iat never went above 90 degrees, I run 19.5 degrees of timing with 0-0.7 degrees knock retard, (think its false knock from my y pipe).
My car is running like a fucken raped ape now, it was running hard with 2 passengers in the car!! .Anything less than 70 mph is just spin city. Starts up and holds a rock steady idle despite the moderately big cam.
My car is running like a fucken raped ape now, it was running hard with 2 passengers in the car!! .Anything less than 70 mph is just spin city.
Starts up and holds a rock steady idle despite the moderately big cam.and spinning the tires at anything less than 70 sounds like just about every supercharger I have tuned
always a good feeling
Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
Oh and my friend said you get lifetime upgrades to the software which is another plus.
No matter which you buy you wont be throwing money away. efi does require each pcm licensed at 99 each. first two licenses included. with unlimited PCM's per model year, hpt has em beat there but I think Hpt is ripping themselves off big time!!! if you want to tune your car and you're gonna bitch about a 99 dollah license then you need to put the laptop down and walk away.
If you want to tune several cars for "free" then HPT wins.
If you want to have unlimited "free" SD and 2-3bar tuning then EFILive wins.
The only thing I can complain about EFILive licensing is the licenses are locked to the cable. Once you license a PCM it should work with any cable, anywhere. Maybe in the next release.
If you want to tune several cars for "free" then HPT wins.
If you want to have unlimited "free" SD and 2-3bar tuning then EFILive wins.
The only thing I can complain about EFILive licensing is the licenses are locked to the cable. Once you license a PCM it should work with any cable, anywhere. Maybe in the next release.
Last edited by SS2win; Oct 16, 2005 at 09:40 AM.
Got Me SOM if your gonna try and make a comparison at least get it right 
hptuners has always corrected shift points & such when you make a gear or tire change, they now offer free support & from reading ken's post it looks like black box data logging and such isnt too far out.
hptuners has always corrected shift points & such when you make a gear or tire change, they now offer free support & from reading ken's post it looks like black box data logging and such isnt too far out.
Originally Posted by 1QUIKWS6
From the members that have used both: is one easier to understand from a novice tuner point of view than the other?
On that note here is a suggestion to those wanting to know which program to get. Some prefer Live, some prefer HPT. Take a coin and flip it. Both are good programs that have different aspects for different users. As long as you choose either, you will be fine.
Also, for those that read my posts and foff's. We both respect each other and are in no way trying to bash the other. It is all in good fun while trying to get each others point across.
Last edited by Black02SS; Oct 16, 2005 at 11:55 AM.
Originally Posted by Black02SS
For those that decided to not read the entire post. This is only if you have used both which I know for a fact, Myself, Foff, and HumpinSS have. I agree with foff that if you are going to be constructive, please do so in a good manner that is honest of EACH softwares strength's and weaknesses.
On that note here is a suggestion to those wanting to know which program to get. Some prefer Live, some prefer HPT. Take a coin and flip it. Both are good programs that have different aspects for different users. As long as you choose either, you will be fine.
Also, for those that read my posts and foff's. We both respect each other and are in no way trying to bash the other. It is all in good fun while trying to get each others point across.
On that note here is a suggestion to those wanting to know which program to get. Some prefer Live, some prefer HPT. Take a coin and flip it. Both are good programs that have different aspects for different users. As long as you choose either, you will be fine.
Also, for those that read my posts and foff's. We both respect each other and are in no way trying to bash the other. It is all in good fun while trying to get each others point across.
I have to agree a lot there... both are pretty easy to use... some of the "advanced" features of both might take somebody a little more time to figure out and learn.....
a lot of users pick because of their budgets...
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Verdad Gallardo and just so you know what is coming up...
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/YaBB.p...3287;start=5#5
so yes...the little black box will be coming to HPTuners...dont know any details on how much time you be able to log.....but its coming
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/YaBB.p...3287;start=5#5
so yes...the little black box will be coming to HPTuners...dont know any details on how much time you be able to log.....but its coming
Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
Oh and my friend said you get lifetime upgrades to the software which is another plus.
Originally Posted by soundengineer
and also with HP Tuners
