PCM Diagnostics & Tuning HP Tuners | Holley | Diablo

Installed Lc1 as narrowband not switching??

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 12, 2006 | 06:37 PM
  #1  
cantdrv65's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,202
Likes: 0
From: TEXASS
Question Installed Lc1 as narrowband not switching??

I installed my Lc1 as the passenger side narrowband on my Z06. It doesnt through any codes but it also doesnt switch like the drivers side stock narrowband? Do I have a config setting wrong. I just used the defaut Innovate setup and didnt even hook up to the serial unit. The wideband works great, Im just wondering if the NB output is suppossed to switch. If not will it pass emissions? As I said its not throwing any codes for the O2s...
Reply
Old Apr 12, 2006 | 07:07 PM
  #2  
SSpdDmon's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 2,918
Likes: 0
From: Commerce Twp, MI
Default

If it's not switching, it'll throw your LTFT's out of wack....happened to me. How exactly did you wire it up? Did you try slowing down the rate it reports voltage with the Innovate software?
Reply
Old Apr 12, 2006 | 07:20 PM
  #3  
cantdrv65's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,202
Likes: 0
From: TEXASS
Question

Originally Posted by SSpdDmon
If it's not switching, it'll throw your LTFT's out of wack....happened to me. How exactly did you wire it up? Did you try slowing down the rate it reports voltage with the Innovate software?
No I never even hooked up to the serial port, just left everthing as is....You think its switching too fast for the Pcm? LTFTs agree on both banks....and it isnt throwing a code? On another note damn it ran smooth in SD mode...but if I let it idle down too much it would occasionally go into reduced power mode...Any clues for that one as well? lol
Reply
Old Apr 12, 2006 | 07:22 PM
  #4  
muncie21's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 591
Likes: 0
From: NE Ohio
Default

My LC-1 has the same issue at idle with the output speed set at 1/12 and 1/6.
Reply
Old Apr 12, 2006 | 08:34 PM
  #5  
andereck's Avatar
TECH Resident
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 787
Likes: 0
Default

The LC1 won't switch on it own. Only when the pcm changes the fueling will it switch from one side to the other as it trys to maintain stoich.
Reply
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 07:48 AM
  #6  
ringram's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
20 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,691
Likes: 1
From: Sunny London, UK
Default

Mine didnt switch initially, I could see the oem one working. Turned out my wiring was messed up. The 12v and Earth is easy, but the other 2 were like 4.8v each. So swapped them around and it worked fine.
Id double check your wiring.
Reply
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 09:53 AM
  #7  
cantdrv65's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,202
Likes: 0
From: TEXASS
Question

Originally Posted by ringram
Mine didnt switch initially, I could see the oem one working. Turned out my wiring was messed up. The 12v and Earth is easy, but the other 2 were like 4.8v each. So swapped them around and it worked fine.
Id double check your wiring.
well the wideband analog out is working very well and readng accurately. The narrowband simulation analog out is reading about .400 volts and it does appear to vary up and down with the mixture (varies between about .35 to .5 as the mixture changes) , it just doesnt switch as high and low as the stocker. Are you saying I have the Gm narrowband high and low inputs to the PCM swapped? I have the low grounded to the same chassis ground as the wideband analog out and the other (GMhigh) connected to the analog out 1 of the Lc1. If I had them swapped wouldnt I be seeing 0V?
Reply
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 10:03 AM
  #8  
muncie21's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 591
Likes: 0
From: NE Ohio
Default

A quick way to check the operation of the simulated NB on the LC-1 is to set the output range of AnalogOut1 to the same value. For example set the range hi/low to .3 or .75 volts. You'll then be able to read this with HPT as the O2 signal. This will force the a consistant output.

This is done via the LM programmer that comes with the LC-1.
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-1

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-5

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-7

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-8

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 10:23 AM
  #9  
cantdrv65's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,202
Likes: 0
From: TEXASS
Question

Originally Posted by muncie21
A quick way to check the operation of the simulated NB on the LC-1 is to set the output range of AnalogOut1 to the same value. For example set the range hi/low to .3 or .75 volts. You'll then be able to read this with HPT as the O2 signal. This will force the a consistant output.

This is done via the LM programmer that comes with the LC-1.

Hmm I may have to hook up to it and play with the settings. Is the Lc1 narrowband sim suppossed to switch exactly like the stocker or is it just a low ranged version of the wideband output? Like I said my settings in the Lc1 are still exactly as it came from Innovate.

Thanks for all the responses guys, I really cant fathom why Im not throwing a code for insufficent switching.
Reply
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 12:15 PM
  #10  
ringram's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
20 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,691
Likes: 1
From: Sunny London, UK
Default

The NB sim is a bit slower to start, but once hot it should swtich pretty much the same.
I think mine was stuck on like 0.400mv initially, and yes I meant NB sim output to pcm.
My WB was fine, NB was wrong. My earth is common with the rest too.
Reply
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 12:19 PM
  #11  
joecar's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,080
Likes: 17
From: So.Cal.
Default

Originally Posted by cantdrv65
I have the low grounded to the same chassis ground as the wideband analog out and the other (GMhigh) connected to the analog out 1 of the Lc1.
At the NBO2 connector, connect the hi and lo signals directly to the LC-1, avoid connecting to any ground.

The wideband analog ground is not a "ground" and does not need to be grounded;
it goes to the analog "lo" of the logging interface and to the lo of the NBO2 connector.

Try like this and see if there's any difference.
Reply
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 12:25 PM
  #12  
joecar's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,080
Likes: 17
From: So.Cal.
Default

Set the LC-1 narrowband sim to the default settings or to 0.0V=15.0AFR and 1.0V=14.3AFR (i.e. steep stepped graph approximately centered on 14.63AFR).
Reply
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 03:11 PM
  #13  
cantdrv65's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,202
Likes: 0
From: TEXASS
Question

Originally Posted by joecar
At the NBO2 connector, connect the hi and lo signals directly to the LC-1, avoid connecting to any ground.

The wideband analog ground is not a "ground" and does not need to be grounded;
it goes to the analog "lo" of the logging interface and to the lo of the NBO2 connector.

Try like this and see if there's any difference.
I followed soundengineers diagram which states chassis ground. If its the PCM ground or a good chassis ground the potential should be zero....It shouldnt make a bit of difference.
Reply
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 03:14 PM
  #14  
cantdrv65's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,202
Likes: 0
From: TEXASS
Question

Originally Posted by ringram
The NB sim is a bit slower to start, but once hot it should swtich pretty much the same.
I think mine was stuck on like 0.400mv initially, and yes I meant NB sim output to pcm.
My WB was fine, NB was wrong. My earth is common with the rest too.
So you simply reversed the two wires on the narrowband connector and it worked?? Mine appears also stuck at about .400 mV.
Reply
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 12:02 AM
  #15  
The highlander's Avatar
Staging Lane
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 93
Likes: 0
Default

Can anyone post a direct connection to the stock PCM???

Pin A - ??
Pin B - ??
Pin C - ??
Pin D - ??

Thanks
Reply
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 06:22 AM
  #16  
muncie21's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 591
Likes: 0
From: NE Ohio
Default

A = NBO2 Signal Low = LC-1 green
B = NBO2 Signal High = LC-1 yellow
C = Heater Ground = LC-1 blue
D = Heater Power = LC-1 red
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:18 PM.

story-0
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-1
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-2
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-3
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-5
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-8
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-9
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE