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SSpdDmon Dec 21, 2006 07:49 AM

Thought I'd ask here too...
 
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/626534-want-40-ft-lbs-torque.html

Check out my post (#18).

Anyone know why we consistently see the dips in the hp/tq curves around 4,000~4,800 rpms with aftermarket cams? I'm leaning towards timing as the culprit, but have no solid answer/proof...

SSpdDmon Dec 21, 2006 07:51 AM

Examples:

http://www.detroitspeedworks.com/lesliec6.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...1_156_full.jpg

http://www.mainstreamtopics.com/~scr...0corrected.JPG

https://ls1tech.com/forums/attachmen...chmentid=82925

Sean Collins Dec 21, 2006 08:33 AM

intake Runner & cam timing dynamics.Tight LSA cams exhibit this behavoir more then the wide LSA cams at least from what i have seen but that overlap quantity is dependent on total lob timming.

SSpdDmon Dec 21, 2006 08:55 AM

Hey Sean...thanks for the input. Hopefully, we can chat more about this when I have you put my LS7 clutch in for me next year. That is, if 'Santa' is still bringing his 1/2. :)

It'd be nice to get rid of that dip in my tq curve though. I could've swore it was timing related because the guy from PA who put the car together only had ~25* of timing there. I didn't try upping it to 27* while I was on the dyno (rushed for time)...

foff667 Dec 21, 2006 09:18 AM

Yeah some have mentioned its timing/fuel related, personally I don't have access to a dyno so I havent been able to fool around with it...I would love to see someone with roadrunner or RTT toy around with things on a dyno to see whats up exactly.

Sean Collins Dec 21, 2006 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by foff667
Yeah some have mentioned its timing/fuel related, personally I don't have access to a dyno so I havent been able to fool around with it...I would love to see someone with roadrunner or RTT toy around with things on a dyno to see whats up exactly.

Depends on the application ( i actually own a dyno a very nice one) and while with a stock engine it can be related to fueling and spark on most of the motors out there with camshafts it tends to be camhsaft intake manifold runner related. Some cams do it others don't again this can be on a case by case bassis but for the most part it tends to be related only to cam timing. If you cam timming is wrong you will have the dip if its right you won't. generally this is what i see. Engines that have the dip are down on TQ alot over engines that don't usually on the order of 20 or more lb ft and they are way down on HP to.


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