Speed Density vs MAF
Originally Posted by jeffstar
I couldn't agree with you LESS. We are enthusiasts, this is our time, our hobbies and our money. I think everyone should have the oppurtunity to learn the things you and I have learned over the years of our passion for Automotive performance.
Originally Posted by jeffstar
What you just said above is no different then saying that nobody should ever even TRY to take care of their body by working out until they get a certification in physical fitness! 
Rather ludicrous.....
Rather ludicrous.....
Originally Posted by jeffstar
Now I would say that a certain amount of self-education is key before you do anything new or different if you wish to have success. However I can't agree with anyone that would say a certification will be the only way you could ever learn something.
Originally Posted by jeffstar
I bet you could find some rather stupid things I've said, but I'm also not claiming to be a tried and true expert as you are claiming. I'm only claiming to be a life long student, an open minded person and an enthusiast.
Originally Posted by jeffstar
I'm also claiming that I think everybody and I mean everybody has the right and given the aptituide and desire, the ability to learn how to tune their own combination.
Originally Posted by jeffstar
I DO NOT believe they need a certification to try and learn something new.
Originally Posted by jeffstar
I also DO believe that the Internet can be a great educational tool if and when used correctly.
Originally Posted by jeffstar
Finally, I believe that practical application and real world expereince goes so much further then any classroom will ever go.
Originally Posted by jeffstar
So my advice for anyone reading this is to go out there and try to learn as much as you can but realize that being a life student is a marathon NOT a sprint. It takes time, patience and money but in the end I have found that accomplishing something ON YOUR OWN has a much better taste of victorious accomplishment then paying somebody to do things for you.
Sorry for the
PS I hope you dont feel like my other post was an attack on you, JEFFSTAR. It wasnt at all meant to be. It was a generalized statement.
Originally Posted by edcmat-l1
Welcome to the internet where everybody with a laptop and a version of HPtuners is a tuner. How many tuners out there, pro or not, dont know or understand the fundamentals of electricity? I would bet ALOT of them. I am an ASE Master Tech with 20+ years exp. 16 years BEFORE I started tuning. Several years as an emissions/driveability specialist. I took to tuning like a fish to water. Probably half of my job as a tuner is problem solving, or diagnostics, to put it a different way.
But really its almost comical the amount of people out there as DIYers that try to diag their own stuff, tune their own stuff, when prolly 25% of my biz comes from other pro shops, not to mention the DIY stuff that people cant figure out.
I think that before ANYBODY makes a single keystroke as far as tuning, they should have some sort of certification that says they know what the **** they are doing!
The internet is a powerful tool. It makes idiots know-it-alls.
SORRY.....
PS go ahead, JEFFSTAR, check out my posts and see what stupid questions I've asked.....
But really its almost comical the amount of people out there as DIYers that try to diag their own stuff, tune their own stuff, when prolly 25% of my biz comes from other pro shops, not to mention the DIY stuff that people cant figure out.
I think that before ANYBODY makes a single keystroke as far as tuning, they should have some sort of certification that says they know what the **** they are doing!
The internet is a powerful tool. It makes idiots know-it-alls.
SORRY.....
PS go ahead, JEFFSTAR, check out my posts and see what stupid questions I've asked.....
I'd have to agree because I have taken certification tests over the years and felt not one test proved that I knew the material enough to be "certified".
Coming onto a board with a I know it all attitude because I have done this or that and have a piece of paper is not going to get you very far.
Originally Posted by edcmat-l1
I guess I should have been clearer. I think if you are gonna tune professionally, there should be some sort of cert. If you're only tuning your own stuff what does it matter? Professional certification at least lets consumers know someone is COMPETENT.
First off, most people should have a physical before any type of rigorous activity. AND if you are TRAINING PEOPLE FOR A LIVING YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTIFICATION.
I'm not saying a cert is the only way you COULD learn something. I'm saying a cert at least says you HAVE LEARNED something, and demonstrated competence.
Whether I'm an expert or not, I'm not saying I dont learn something new from time to time. I do alot of diag work for other shops. So I get my share of stuff that gives me a run for my money.
Agreed.....tune their OWN stuff
Ageed
The internet is/can be a great tool. But it is a double edged sword
Never underestimate classroom education. Where would we be if nobody ever went to school? On the flip side, practical experience is what cements what we learn.
Again I agree. Life itself is a continuous learning process. And the feeling of accomplishment is what keeps alot of us, pros and DIY guys, doing this. Its what keeps me pluggin away at a car that wants to kick my ***.
Sorry for the
PS I hope you dont feel like my other post was an attack on you, JEFFSTAR. It wasnt at all meant to be. It was a generalized statement.
First off, most people should have a physical before any type of rigorous activity. AND if you are TRAINING PEOPLE FOR A LIVING YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTIFICATION.
I'm not saying a cert is the only way you COULD learn something. I'm saying a cert at least says you HAVE LEARNED something, and demonstrated competence.
Whether I'm an expert or not, I'm not saying I dont learn something new from time to time. I do alot of diag work for other shops. So I get my share of stuff that gives me a run for my money.
Agreed.....tune their OWN stuff
Ageed
The internet is/can be a great tool. But it is a double edged sword
Never underestimate classroom education. Where would we be if nobody ever went to school? On the flip side, practical experience is what cements what we learn.
Again I agree. Life itself is a continuous learning process. And the feeling of accomplishment is what keeps alot of us, pros and DIY guys, doing this. Its what keeps me pluggin away at a car that wants to kick my ***.
Sorry for the
PS I hope you dont feel like my other post was an attack on you, JEFFSTAR. It wasnt at all meant to be. It was a generalized statement.
I think your major point is don't claim to be a pro tuner with out some sort of credibility and training?
I agree with that. yes.
Originally Posted by Checkmate
My buddy is an ASE master tech and he said the tests are a joke, buy a study guy read for a few weeks and take the test. Do this for each one and you have a ASE master tech that knows nothing.
I'd have to agree because I have taken certification tests over the years and felt not one test proved that I knew the material enough to be "certified".
Coming onto a board with a I know it all attitude because I have done this or that and have a piece of paper is not going to get you very far.
I'd have to agree because I have taken certification tests over the years and felt not one test proved that I knew the material enough to be "certified".
Coming onto a board with a I know it all attitude because I have done this or that and have a piece of paper is not going to get you very far.
I know it came off sounding know it all. Didnt mean it that way. As for how far it will get me, I'm not looking for it to get me anywhere. But I didnt mean to sound like a dick.
PS. If ASE certs were such a joke, why do you need master certification to command the highest wages in the industry?
