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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 11:28 PM
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i currently have stock timing and still experience some knock off the n2o. i use nothing but 93 octane and want to desensitise the k/s a bit. from what i have read in other threads it says to higher the decay rate and lower the fast attack rate is that correct or how would i go by doing this?
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 10:05 AM
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How big of a shot are you using? Are you pulling timing on the juice? Have you tried pulling that amount and the problem goes away? Please dont force something on the engine that is being pulled for a reason. What spark plugs and gap are you using?
Just because it is a stock timing table does not mean that it is close to the needs of your engine, You have obviosly changed the efficiency of this engine so the timing needs are majorly different now. So "Stock" does not apply to you any more. The more efficient the engine, the less timing it needs.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 10:16 AM
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How big of a shot are you using? Are you pulling timing on the juice? Have you tried pulling that amount and the problem goes away? Please dont force something on the engine that is being pulled for a reason. What spark plugs and gap are you using?
Just because it is a stock timing table does not mean that it is close to the needs of your engine, You have obviosly changed the efficiency of this engine so the timing needs are majorly different now. So "Stock" does not apply to you any more. The more efficient the engine, the less timing it needs.
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Aftermarket cams don't need as much timing vs. what's in the stock timing table - especially down low. N/A, you'll probably make best power around 27* @ WOT. Down low (just off idle), you probably don't need more than high teens to low twentys for timing. I can shoot you a table for N/A...then you just need to pull some timing for N2O.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 09:57 PM
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i have pulled the timing and it did go away, i just wanted it to be a bit more accurate when there is knock, and not getting it from the noisy valvetrain. i currently have tr6 on .035 gap. i guess i was under the impression that after the cam and boltons it would need more timing. i attached my file it has the areas where there was knock lowered. is this good for a 150 hp at wheels currently have 125 jets making 102 at wheel
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 10:19 PM
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I dont have a way to read that file, but it isnt a big deal, You have to remember and alot of people get this thinking in there head, The knock sensor algorithm is looking for a frequency pattern. The frequency pattern of a knock event. NOT the frequency of a noisy valve train. Those are 2 seperate types of sound. So if you pull timing and your knock went away, obviosly you need to pull that timing because it was real. If it was fake, the kr would have stayed there.
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Originally Posted by 6-Speed Terror
i have pulled the timing and it did go away, i just wanted it to be a bit more accurate when there is knock, and not getting it from the noisy valvetrain. i currently have tr6 on .035 gap. i guess i was under the impression that after the cam and boltons it would need more timing. i attached my file it has the areas where there was knock lowered. is this good for a 150 hp at wheels currently have 125 jets making 102 at wheel
I just did a setup that is almost exactly like yours... I moved the high and low octane tables into yours. Do some driving and log, you may have to touch it up in the low-middle. It's a lot lower then that almost stock table that you have just off of idle to get rid of some the cam surge that persisted past getting the RAF dialed in. These tables were pulled up top for a TNT 150 shot.
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Originally Posted by 6-Speed Terror
i have pulled the timing and it did go away, i just wanted it to be a bit more accurate when there is knock, and not getting it from the noisy valvetrain. i currently have tr6 on .035 gap. i guess i was under the impression that after the cam and boltons it would need more timing. i attached my file it has the areas where there was knock lowered. is this good for a 150 hp at wheels currently have 125 jets making 102 at wheel
Then the system is working fine. lowering the sensitivity of the knock sensor might reduce your knock retard, but it will be because the sensors are missing actual spark knock. Try pulling back the timming in the area of the timming tables that you are experiencing the knock retard the most.

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