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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by KAOS
so with the 4 barrel setup how do you run a maf or do you go with SD tuning?

SD Tuning. My elbow setup is also SD tuned.
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 383lt1impala
What are the tipical gaings from a 90 degree elbow with 90mm tb to a 4150 style tb? Since the cfm flow number is 100cfm of each other.
Read post #1. He gained 50rwhp.
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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That's with a 4500 style with flows about 2000cfm.
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 383lt1impala
That's with a 4500 style with flows about 2000cfm.
The throttle body is not what kills the power, it's the intake elbow. Asking the air to make a tight 180 degree turn kills flow going into the front cylinders.
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 07:26 PM
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What are you guys doing with the TB cable when you use a 4 barrel TB?
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
The throttle body is not what kills the power, it's the intake elbow. Asking the air to make a tight 180 degree turn kills flow going into the front cylinders.
even with the 4 barrel body and a carb hat, you still have to make at least a almost the same turn
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 10:48 PM
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when you run speed density you dont have to make a turn. You run with a carb style filter or none at all.
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How much or any Horse Power trade off between the Edelbrock 4150 TB and Accufab 4150 TB. Edelbrock claims 1000cfm flow and Accufab claims 1215cfm flow. Would it matter between the two on a 500rwhp NA 370 setup?

I'm under the impression that a 1000cfm is plenty of airflow on one of these motors??
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 71 chevy
even with the 4 barrel body and a carb hat, you still have to make at least a almost the same turn
You are after the air distribution of the 4 hole.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 05:26 PM
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I found a cheaper alternative for a carb. hat intake for the 4 barrel throttle bodies. Summit racing part number(SPE-9849),it has a 4 inch inlet tube that can be used to clamp a inlet tube to your airlid and run your filter setup like you already have it.

If anyone knows of one cheaper please post it with a part number
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 12:48 PM
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That hat has been discussed numerous times over at the turbomustang forums. The general consesus is that the top piece of it which is flat isn't good for air flow. Look up the Extreme Velocity bonnet. Those seem to be the best ones with dyno numbers to back it up.
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy P
That hat has been discussed numerous times over at the turbomustang forums. The general consesus is that the top piece of it which is flat isn't good for air flow. Look up the Extreme Velocity bonnet. Those seem to be the best ones with dyno numbers to back it up.
Has anyone tried a face off between the two caps to see how much of a difference the two are?
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Old May 19, 2009 | 12:27 AM
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ok guys i like this thread... so bought a vic jr and edel elbow it killed my car. at the time my built heads cam 346 dynoed 360hp 306 tq .. i see now where it all went (in the elbow)... but one other problem i had... when tuning them to 12.5 to 13 to 1 they were fine ran great... but over time they kill plugs. and went rich... almost like they were developing vacuum leaks? has anyone had this problem? i tried this on two diff cars and both of them had same problem.. i was ready to throw this thing in trash... so do u guys think i should buy another elbow or throttle body and will fix my problem and pick up hp over my ls6 this time on my current set up in my sig... i really hate to throw any more money into this paper weight.. unless it works this time
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Old May 19, 2009 | 04:54 AM
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I would get the aarons elbow or go with a 4 barrel throttle body.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by StreetStalkerZ
That is the edelbrock ultra low elbow. It has a HORRIBLE bend in it! I would not doubt your pick up in HP between it and the arrons elbow. I have the low profile edelbrock elbow,will not clear a stock hood. I may get the high flow elbow,if i have enough room under the hood and try it for comparrison between the two.
That's the confusion here. They are comparing the ultra low Edelbrock elbow, and they have 3 different height models to choose from. So if you need the clearance for the hood, the low profile is in order.

Check out my sheet metal elbow, it also doesn't flow well, so we must compare apples to apples, not oranges to apples, lol. It was designed to fit, sort of, under a stock c5 hood. I don't really care though, the spray will take care of any needed HP, lol.



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Originally Posted by Speed Density
The edelbrock elbows have to be some of the worst choices for a single plane. The bend radius is horrible compared to a typical wilson or sheetmetal elbow.
Their full flow 90 elbow is likely just as good as the others IE: Wilson. What is being compared is the one they designed for hood clearance.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 04:34 PM
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I went ahead and put a edelbrock 4150 TB on my victor jr a few weeks ago along with the spectre 4" hat. I'll get it tuned and see how well it runs at the track,sadly i can't compare it to the bigger edelbrock elbow i had on it. As far as SOTP the 4 barrel is far better through out the RPM band now and the tune is bad rich.
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Doesn't putting a hard turn 90° on that TB kind of void the benifit of the carb style TB? It is for pressureized systems so flow doesn't really matter like n/a, so...
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