LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

I need guidance for a 600 rwhp naturally aspirated lt1 383 running on premiu

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 09:40 AM
  #1  
Kingbird97's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Default I need guidance for a 600 rwhp naturally aspirated lt1 383 running on premiu

Hey, I'm currently driving around in a 350 lt1 in a 97 firebird. It's a stock block running on 62 thousand miles, require guidance and a parts list. Also don't treat this thread as a pure motor question, I also need help with finding a auto trans and a rear end capable of using and handling the high horsepower. The project will take me a while and allot of money, we'll pretend my budget on the motor is 10 grand. I'm new to this game so thank you
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 09:43 AM
  #2  
merim123's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,927
Likes: 25
From: Chitown, IL
Default

have you seen a 600rwhp lt1 naturally aspirated anywhere? doesn't exist. 383 not enough. SBC 420+ yes on a racecar, not a street car.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 09:46 AM
  #3  
Nostang's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
20 Year Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 544
Likes: 3
From: Gilbert, AZ
Default

Not gonna happen with an lt1 in anything you would want to ever drive and definitely not on 93 octane. You would be better off going heads, cam, intake ls7...cheaper, more streetable and would meet your goals (well, maybe not rwhp through an auto but it would be mid to high 5xx's).
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 09:50 AM
  #4  
StealthFormula's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (35)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,798
Likes: 54
From: Skippack, PA
Default

A 600rwhp N/A 383 LT1 on pump gas ain't happening especially through an automatic. I would either be more realistic with your N/A rwhp goals given your parameters or consider nitrous or forced induction if you're adamant about making 600rwhp.

Assuming a 600rwhp car...
For a rear end you're gonna want at least an 8.5" 12 bolt and maybe more preferably a 9" or Dana S60 or the like.

For the auto trans you're gonna want a 4l80E, TH400 or the like.

EDIT: Your profile says your 18 years old...do you even have the experience needed to drive and properlyhandle a car with anything even remotely close to 600rwhp? When I was in high school my <300rwhp LT1 got me into ALOT of trouble and I'm lucky to be alive. A 600rwhp car to a new driver is a quick way to end up in a casket, I'd work your way up to that.

Last edited by StealthFormula; Apr 18, 2017 at 10:08 AM.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 10:03 AM
  #5  
SS RRR's Avatar
Village Troll
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 11,111
Likes: 598
From: Jackstandican
Default

It's not going to happen. Just doing heads/cam/exhaust/tune/differential you'll be well into half your budget.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 10:10 AM
  #6  
merim123's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,927
Likes: 25
From: Chitown, IL
Default

he said 10k for motor. Not going to happen with an lt1.

go sbc, you are still 5k short...

Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 10:15 AM
  #7  
SS RRR's Avatar
Village Troll
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 11,111
Likes: 598
From: Jackstandican
Default

Originally Posted by merim123
he said 10k for motor. Not going to happen with an lt1.

go sbc, you are still 5k short...
It was also stated 600rwhp which definitely wouldn't happen with the engine you listed as well as a LT1.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:02 AM
  #8  
Kingbird97's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Default

Oh snap my bad I meant 600 flat idk why rear wheel hp got to my head
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-1

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-5

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-7

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-8

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:12 AM
  #9  
Kingbird97's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Default

And even if I can't pull 600 out of the motor I'd b fine in the 500s.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:15 AM
  #10  
Kingbird97's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Default

I've previously helped on a ls and l98 rebuild in the past and this isn't something I'm building tomorrow so calm yourselves no one will be dying anytime soon.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:22 AM
  #11  
SS RRR's Avatar
Village Troll
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 11,111
Likes: 598
From: Jackstandican
Default

Still isn't going to happen with 10K.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:27 AM
  #12  
StealthFormula's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (35)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,798
Likes: 54
From: Skippack, PA
Default

In the 500's is still dreaming especially when we're talking an automatic car. A stalled auto absorbs a lot of power and is no dyno queen. 500+rwhp in an N/A stroker LT1 has been done before and can be done but the ones I know of have not been street cars and are very well thought out builds. To get an automatic car with an N/A stroker motor to meet or exceed 500rwhp is going to require a lot of compression, excellent cylinder heads, a lot of cam preferably solid roller and perhaps even a sheet metal intake manifold. Streetability will not be of #1 concern at this point. I wouldn't worry about the rwhp figures personally because a well thought out 383 stroker with an automatic that dynos say 450rwhp is going to be a car capable of 10 sec 1/4 passes all day long and will own 99% of the cars on the road.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:27 AM
  #13  
Kingbird97's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by StealthFormula
A 600rwhp N/A 383 LT1 on pump gas ain't happening especially through an automatic. I would either be more realistic with your N/A rwhp goals given your parameters or consider nitrous or forced induction if you're adamant about making 600rwhp.

Assuming a 600rwhp car...
For a rear end you're gonna want at least an 8.5" 12 bolt and maybe more preferably a 9" or Dana S60 or the like.

For the auto trans you're gonna want a 4l80E, TH400 or the like.

EDIT: Your profile says your 18 years old...do you even have the experience needed to drive and properlyhandle a car with anything even remotely close to 600rwhp? When I was in high school my <300rwhp LT1 got me into ALOT of trouble and I'm lucky to be alive. A 600rwhp car to a new driver is a quick way to end up in a casket, I'd work your way up to that.
I meant at the flywheel, Ive helped on a few motors (ls,l98 and a couple
302) but never built my own that's why I'm even considering such a proposition and this isn't something that's gonna be done tomorrow so with any luck it'll be there in 2 years. Thanks for your concern and advice
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:30 AM
  #14  
Kingbird97's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Default

Aight since yall have experience, what is my best option with the motor, I just need alot of reliable power.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:35 AM
  #15  
StealthFormula's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (35)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,798
Likes: 54
From: Skippack, PA
Default

Originally Posted by Kingbird97
Aight since yall have experience, what is my best option with the motor, I just need alot of reliable power.
It sounds like you have a great car to start with with only 62k miles. I would consider doing full bolt-ons and then going with a nice heads/cam package from Lloyd Elliott or Advanced Induction which would include porting your stock cylinder heads. You can do everything for a lot less than your budget all said and done. The car will dyno less than 400rwhp through a stalled auto but will run it's *** off and be a car capable of 11's all day long. With a setup like this you can probably leave the 10 bolt alone and just beef up your existing 4l60e so the performance you get for the money spent is pretty good. If you want more than that N/A then I would go 383 or 396.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:44 AM
  #16  
Kingbird97's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Default

So don't even bother with a stroker?
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:45 AM
  #17  
Kingbird97's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Default

Cuz my whole plan involved a 383
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:48 AM
  #18  
Shownomercy's Avatar
Man-Crush Warning
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 3,197
Likes: 130
Default

Punch block to .030 over, reuse factory crank, new rods and forged pistons. Leave factory heads alone, and upgrade springs/valves. Big injectors, and a big fuel pump. Fab up a single turbo kit or buy one, run a 76mm turbo, and make all the HP you want.

Junkyard 4L80e with a full race shift kit and a quality billet torque converter

Roll the dice with a 10 bolt but know you will break it later.

Should make an easy 600whp and be done for 10k.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:58 AM
  #19  
merim123's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,927
Likes: 25
From: Chitown, IL
Default

Originally Posted by Shownomercy
Punch block to .030 over, reuse factory crank, new rods and forged pistons. Leave factory heads alone, and upgrade springs/valves. Big injectors, and a big fuel pump. Fab up a single turbo kit or buy one, run a 76mm turbo, and make all the HP you want.

Junkyard 4L80e with a full race shift kit and a quality billet torque converter

Roll the dice with a 10 bolt but know you will break it later.

Should make an easy 600whp and be done for 10k.
When you consider what people do on lsx's and turbos, This is the recipe of choice I would say for LT1s. you are better off going this route and staying with a lt1, then converting to ls1 to make same power. if i ran across a nice lt1 car, this is what I would do nowadays. and you can tune the obd1 cars for free basically.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2017 | 11:58 AM
  #20  
SS RRR's Avatar
Village Troll
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 11,111
Likes: 598
From: Jackstandican
Default

Originally Posted by Shownomercy
Should make an easy 600whp and be done for 10k.
... and make it down the track for three passes total before sending shrapnel everywhere. I guess there was nothing mentioned about making a 'dependable' 600rwhp?
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:52 AM.

story-0
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-1
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-2
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-3
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-5
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-8
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-9
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE