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RED blocks are really nice, the only real difference between ERL (and TSP now) is that RED use a wet sleeve and ERL used and TSP use a dry sleeve. The wet sleeve runs a little cooler because it obviously has a wet sleeve vs dry. Aside from that, they are about the same. Id recommend anyone getting a RED or TSP block look into getting lifter windows cut into the valley
Just so people don't scratch their head wondering , ERL had wet sleeves as well.
The windows were also access to the 6th head bolt, it screws on from the bottom.
RED blocks are really nice, the only real difference between ERL (and TSP now) is that RED use a wet sleeve and ERL used and TSP use a dry sleeve. The wet sleeve runs a little cooler because it obviously has a wet sleeve vs dry. Aside from that, they are about the same. Id recommend anyone getting a RED or TSP block look into getting lifter windows cut into the valley
RED just did a dry sleeve for me. Steve can do either one. I went dry sleeve purely because I'm building a big cube street engine. The dry sleeving process is VERY affordable, and plenty strong for a big cube street engine. The sleeves that Steve uses for the dry sleeving process, are LS7 Darton replacement sleeves, that can go out to 4.185" N/A.
I agree 100% on the valley Windows. I wish I had done that...I think.
There are no lifter windows on gm blocks. The heads have to come off to remove lifters. The lifter windows are cut in the block to facilitate lifter removal with the heads on. And as KCS mentioned, you can not get lifters out through the windows with factory trays. You have to utilize tie bar design lifters, for the window mod to benefit you.
RED just did a dry sleeve for me. Steve can do either one. I went dry sleeve purely because I'm building a big cube street engine. The dry sleeving process is VERY affordable, and plenty strong for a big cube street engine. The sleeves that Steve uses for the dry sleeving process, are LS7 Darton replacement sleeves, that can go out to 4.185" N/A.
I agree 100% on the valley Windows. I wish I had done that...I think.
Thats the same with mine, I'm at 4.155 and can go to 4.185 safely. ERL started the lifter windows a year after they did my shortblock
Just so people don't scratch their head wondering , ERL had wet sleeves as well.
The windows were also access to the 6th head bolt, it screws on from the bottom.
The windows are for the lifters, link bar lifters at that
The 6th bolt hole is on the outboard side of the block, not the inboard side.
The 6th bolt for the (6 bolt) heads is on the outboard edge, nothing different on the inside at least on standard 6 bolt heads. Mozez heads may have an additional bolt on the inside, IDK.
The windows are for the lifters, link bar lifters at that
The 6th bolt hole is on the outboard side of the block, not the inboard side.
The 6th bolt for the (6 bolt) heads is on the outboard edge, nothing different on the inside at least on standard 6 bolt heads. Mozez heads may have an additional bolt on the inside, IDK.
What are you smoking man? The picture you posted has the 6th bolt
directly above the cylinder where the lifter trays go, you install head, then through
the window you are referring to you screw bolts in. Here is a picture of the
bolts ERL sent me to put there.
What are you smoking man? The picture you posted has the 6th bolt
directly above the cylinder where the lifter trays go, you install head, then through
the window you are referring to you screw bolts in. Here is a picture of the
bolts ERL sent me to put there.
He's saying the 6th bolt hole is on the outboard side, the one in the lifter valley is usually referred to as the 5th bolt hole.
Outboard side is outboard whether you're on the passenger side or the driver side. The bolt hole you're referring to is the 5th bolt.
The 6th bolt is added by welding up the outboard side of the block then decking it then tapping the new holes for use with 6 bolt heads.
Doesn't matter which hole is 5th or 6th, you are saying the window is only for
lifter access, I'm saying the window is also for the head bolt access, the "5th"
hole if you must. And I am wondering if you have even seen one of these things
in person, the 6th hole is not welded up, decked and tapped, it is a machined
piece they welded to the block then they finish it. Just like the 5th bolt hole, they machine a piece and weld it to the block in the same area a stock lifter
bucket sets, look at your picture, thats the "5th" hole
Your post #21 you say the difference is RED use wet sleeve, ERL and TSP use
dry sleeve, you are wrong, they both can do both. And they use completely different Sleeves
Your post #33, you say "nothing different on the inside at least on standard 6 bolt heads. Mozez may have an additional bolt on the inside." Well if that is the case why do they call them 6 bolt heads where is the 5th hole, I'll give you a
hint, it's inside that hole you call a lifter window, there is a threaded hole
on the bottom side of the head that a bolt screws into, that the only way you
can access is through that "lifter window".
Doesn't matter which hole is 5th or 6th, you are saying the window is only for
lifter access, I'm saying the window is also for the head bolt access, the "5th"
hole if you must. And I am wondering if you have even seen one of these things
in person, the 6th hole is not welded up, decked and tapped, it is a machined
piece they welded to the block then they finish it. Just like the 5th bolt hole, they machine a piece and weld it to the block in the same area a stock lifter
bucket sets, look at your picture, thats the "5th" hole
Your post #21 you say the difference is RED use wet sleeve, ERL and TSP use
dry sleeve, you are wrong, they both can do both. And they use completely different Sleeves
Your post #33, you say "nothing different on the inside at least on standard 6 bolt heads. Mozez may have an additional bolt on the inside." Well if that is the case why do they call them 6 bolt heads where is the 5th hole, I'll give you a
hint, it's inside that hole you call a lifter window, there is a threaded hole
on the bottom side of the head that a bolt screws into, that the only way you
can access is through that "lifter window".
Maybe you should go back and read what I wrote and try not to take things so damn literal. Anyway, here the process, they weld up a bar to the side of the block, deck it then tap it.
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