N2O vs HSW driver's side fuel cell
N2O vs HSW driver's side fuel cell This post is in response to 'shroom's question.
Well I can honestly say own both fuse side fuel cells ("cell"). I already PMed 'shroom, but for anyone else who may ever want to know, here's my deal:
Almost one year ago exactly, I harrassed Dave with phone calls & PMs (including pictures) of how I needed his cell to fit my application. Instead of having the return line go into the fuel cell on the right side (when facing front of vehicle), I wanted it to go on the left, meaning the fuel pressure regulator (FPR) would have to be rotated by 180°. Dave said it couldn't be done because the fuel pressure regulator must be mounted horizontally in order to clear to hood. NO, that doesn't make sense, and that's why I remember it to this day. I ordered Dave's cell anyway, it was the only one on the market, and asked for it to be anodized black for an additional $100. When it arrived it was pretty sweet, and already assembled less feed/return lines. Later that week I tried to fit the cell in my car and noticed four things:
- The first, I already knew would happen. The fuse box cover from Speed, Inc. interfered with the return line bung. My fix for this was to swap this bung with the hole where the fuel pump wires exited through, which invovled drilling, grinding, and welding. So much for that $100 anodizing! It was stupid on my part, but we all make mistakes.
- The second was the three holes already drilled in the mounting "flap" didn't align with any holes on my car. If one did, the other did not. When I chose one hole (where two grounds are mounted onto the chassi) the back end of the cell was about ½" too close to the ABS unit. My fix for this was to drill two new holes, one for the ground bolt, and the other for the headlight bolt.
- The third problem was evident after the cell was mounted. It would bounce up and down. There wasn't any support for the bottom of the cell. Maybe the bouncing would stop when I filled it with fuel or something, assuming I do a wheelie or go over speed bumps, pot holes, etc.
- The fourth issue I had was the lack of support for the fuel pump. I asked Dave about it and he said the pump won't move when there the cell is full of fuel. o-k...
And then HSW's fuel cell is released. I kept the pump, sock, wiring, and lid, and transferred it all over to HSW's piece. I chose not to have it anodized because I hate repeating mistakes. HSW's fuel cell is not all advantages, but it fix everything that I didn't like about Dave's.
- I can still use the fuse box cover from Speed, Inc. I'll have to remove it everytime I fill the cell up, but that's not a problem at all.
- There was still some drilling required, but only four holes to relocate the fuse boxes. Again, not a problem, and I knew this before I bought it.
- There is no bouncing around with the HSW cell. It's bolted down with two large bolts and nuts from underneath, using existing holes.
- The fuel pump doesn't move. It's attached to some "thing" (for lack of a better word) via worm clamp, and the thing is bolted to the inside of the cell.
Like I said, it wasn't all advantages... The problems I noticed with HSW's fuel cell are as follows:
- First, I wanted to keep my air pump and one of the large bolts got in the way of the air pump bracket. My fix for this was to drill a hole through that bracket. Easy enough. The other problem with keeping that bracket is I had to replace the bolts, but Lowe's had new ones with that low-profile head, which allowed the HSW cell to slip right on top. I also had to plug the air hose hole in my lid, shorten the "feed" hose and attach a small, ricer filter (from Advance Auto). I have pics if anyone even cares...
- Second, as mentioned, relocating the fuse box, which required more time. It's also a very sturdy bracket, and the fuse boxes are plastic and weak, so they do tend to have a little wiggle room. I had to tape the top box to the bracket because it would sometimes get off the bracket.
- Third, the HSW cell holds more fuel, and this can be a big problem for all you stripper cars out there. My fix for that was using the restroom and wearing one less shoe before racing.
I definately like the HSW cell much better, I even like the location better, and if anyone wants it, my cell from Dave will be up for sale with the original feed and return lines, but not the regulator, pump, lid, or wiring. Some fittings will be included. I'm on business now so I won't put an ad in the F/S section till I can get pics.
Well I can honestly say own both fuse side fuel cells ("cell"). I already PMed 'shroom, but for anyone else who may ever want to know, here's my deal:
Almost one year ago exactly, I harrassed Dave with phone calls & PMs (including pictures) of how I needed his cell to fit my application. Instead of having the return line go into the fuel cell on the right side (when facing front of vehicle), I wanted it to go on the left, meaning the fuel pressure regulator (FPR) would have to be rotated by 180°. Dave said it couldn't be done because the fuel pressure regulator must be mounted horizontally in order to clear to hood. NO, that doesn't make sense, and that's why I remember it to this day. I ordered Dave's cell anyway, it was the only one on the market, and asked for it to be anodized black for an additional $100. When it arrived it was pretty sweet, and already assembled less feed/return lines. Later that week I tried to fit the cell in my car and noticed four things:
- The first, I already knew would happen. The fuse box cover from Speed, Inc. interfered with the return line bung. My fix for this was to swap this bung with the hole where the fuel pump wires exited through, which invovled drilling, grinding, and welding. So much for that $100 anodizing! It was stupid on my part, but we all make mistakes.
- The second was the three holes already drilled in the mounting "flap" didn't align with any holes on my car. If one did, the other did not. When I chose one hole (where two grounds are mounted onto the chassi) the back end of the cell was about ½" too close to the ABS unit. My fix for this was to drill two new holes, one for the ground bolt, and the other for the headlight bolt.
- The third problem was evident after the cell was mounted. It would bounce up and down. There wasn't any support for the bottom of the cell. Maybe the bouncing would stop when I filled it with fuel or something, assuming I do a wheelie or go over speed bumps, pot holes, etc.
- The fourth issue I had was the lack of support for the fuel pump. I asked Dave about it and he said the pump won't move when there the cell is full of fuel. o-k...
And then HSW's fuel cell is released. I kept the pump, sock, wiring, and lid, and transferred it all over to HSW's piece. I chose not to have it anodized because I hate repeating mistakes. HSW's fuel cell is not all advantages, but it fix everything that I didn't like about Dave's.
- I can still use the fuse box cover from Speed, Inc. I'll have to remove it everytime I fill the cell up, but that's not a problem at all.
- There was still some drilling required, but only four holes to relocate the fuse boxes. Again, not a problem, and I knew this before I bought it.
- There is no bouncing around with the HSW cell. It's bolted down with two large bolts and nuts from underneath, using existing holes.
- The fuel pump doesn't move. It's attached to some "thing" (for lack of a better word) via worm clamp, and the thing is bolted to the inside of the cell.
Like I said, it wasn't all advantages... The problems I noticed with HSW's fuel cell are as follows:
- First, I wanted to keep my air pump and one of the large bolts got in the way of the air pump bracket. My fix for this was to drill a hole through that bracket. Easy enough. The other problem with keeping that bracket is I had to replace the bolts, but Lowe's had new ones with that low-profile head, which allowed the HSW cell to slip right on top. I also had to plug the air hose hole in my lid, shorten the "feed" hose and attach a small, ricer filter (from Advance Auto). I have pics if anyone even cares...
- Second, as mentioned, relocating the fuse box, which required more time. It's also a very sturdy bracket, and the fuse boxes are plastic and weak, so they do tend to have a little wiggle room. I had to tape the top box to the bracket because it would sometimes get off the bracket.
- Third, the HSW cell holds more fuel, and this can be a big problem for all you stripper cars out there. My fix for that was using the restroom and wearing one less shoe before racing.
I definately like the HSW cell much better, I even like the location better, and if anyone wants it, my cell from Dave will be up for sale with the original feed and return lines, but not the regulator, pump, lid, or wiring. Some fittings will be included. I'm on business now so I won't put an ad in the F/S section till I can get pics.
I remember the dedicated we did for you. It was one of our standard units that mounts in the fuse area.
Just like this one.
But annodized like this one.
It was one sexy piece.
The return hose is designed to loop around. Because of the fuse box cover you were using there was a concern that you may not be able to use the cover with it. After many discussions back and forth you decided to try it.
If I remember correctly you contacted me afterwards with the folloing issues. Correct me if I am wrong it has been a while.
1. The aftermarket cover you had would not work with the return design. With out us having the car here it was just to hard for us to know what to do to make the current design work for your needs with using the cover. You had said you woul modify the cover if needed. I later got a phone call from you stating that you had cut the tank up and had someone wleding it up for you. A later phone call from you said the tank was a desaster because you had someone trying to weld the tank together that had no idea what they were doing. So we priced you out a new tank at our cost.
2. The fuel pump would make a clanking noise when shaking it back and forth due to the fact the tank was empty and the fuel pump could travel alittle. The unit used a 2inch piece of hose to connect it to the fitting. We seen no reason in adding another bracket around the pump. It was overkill do to the limitied amount of travel room.
However after talking to you we decided to add the extra bracket around the pump even though it was not really doing anything other than keeping the customer that might think there is a problem in the event they might shake the unit around with no gas in it. So Now all of our units have a built in bracket around the fuel pump assembly. Thanks to your feed back (proof that we use the feed back from our customers)
3. Our fuse style units have a mounting bracket off the side. These units have two holes in the bracket. It is not designed to work with any factory botls that are already on the core support. You are suppose place the unit in the area tucked up against the core support then mark the holes locations and drill the holes needed in the core siupport.( In normal applications 99 percent of them) this is the only holes needed to use our unit. Nothing else should have to be relocated etc. If this unit was mounted properly there is no way for it to bounce up and down..
4. I may be wrong about this but I think we also made you mad here. The return phone number you left for us was your house number. In our efforts to keep you updated we called you after it came in from annodizing to let you know it was shiping. Your wife anwered and was not to happy. This made you mad at us. . If this was not you it was another customer. To you or who ever that was I do applogize for that.We call our customers from time to time to keep them informed. We have alot of customers that keep things from there wife when it comes to spending money on car parts. I do it to.lol The best thing to do is give your cell number instead of the house number
Out of the 100 pluss dedicated style fuel pumps we have sold you were the only customer that seem to have a fitment problem with there unit. The only reason you had this problem is because you were using an after market product our unit was not designed to work with.
I personaly try to do everything in my power to make everyone happy. I do know that it is impossible to make everyone happy but I still try. I also know that somethings we make may not fit someones special needs. But we do give it our best to make it happen.
I understand that you were the odd man out as far as our product not working to the best of your needs. I am sorry it worked out that way. I hope that in all of this you you can atleast say that our customer service was good.lol if not I guess it was a total strike out on our part and again I apologize.....
Dave
Just like this one.
But annodized like this one.
It was one sexy piece.
The return hose is designed to loop around. Because of the fuse box cover you were using there was a concern that you may not be able to use the cover with it. After many discussions back and forth you decided to try it.
If I remember correctly you contacted me afterwards with the folloing issues. Correct me if I am wrong it has been a while.
1. The aftermarket cover you had would not work with the return design. With out us having the car here it was just to hard for us to know what to do to make the current design work for your needs with using the cover. You had said you woul modify the cover if needed. I later got a phone call from you stating that you had cut the tank up and had someone wleding it up for you. A later phone call from you said the tank was a desaster because you had someone trying to weld the tank together that had no idea what they were doing. So we priced you out a new tank at our cost.
2. The fuel pump would make a clanking noise when shaking it back and forth due to the fact the tank was empty and the fuel pump could travel alittle. The unit used a 2inch piece of hose to connect it to the fitting. We seen no reason in adding another bracket around the pump. It was overkill do to the limitied amount of travel room.
However after talking to you we decided to add the extra bracket around the pump even though it was not really doing anything other than keeping the customer that might think there is a problem in the event they might shake the unit around with no gas in it. So Now all of our units have a built in bracket around the fuel pump assembly. Thanks to your feed back (proof that we use the feed back from our customers)
3. Our fuse style units have a mounting bracket off the side. These units have two holes in the bracket. It is not designed to work with any factory botls that are already on the core support. You are suppose place the unit in the area tucked up against the core support then mark the holes locations and drill the holes needed in the core siupport.( In normal applications 99 percent of them) this is the only holes needed to use our unit. Nothing else should have to be relocated etc. If this unit was mounted properly there is no way for it to bounce up and down..
4. I may be wrong about this but I think we also made you mad here. The return phone number you left for us was your house number. In our efforts to keep you updated we called you after it came in from annodizing to let you know it was shiping. Your wife anwered and was not to happy. This made you mad at us. . If this was not you it was another customer. To you or who ever that was I do applogize for that.We call our customers from time to time to keep them informed. We have alot of customers that keep things from there wife when it comes to spending money on car parts. I do it to.lol The best thing to do is give your cell number instead of the house number
Out of the 100 pluss dedicated style fuel pumps we have sold you were the only customer that seem to have a fitment problem with there unit. The only reason you had this problem is because you were using an after market product our unit was not designed to work with.
I personaly try to do everything in my power to make everyone happy. I do know that it is impossible to make everyone happy but I still try. I also know that somethings we make may not fit someones special needs. But we do give it our best to make it happen.
I understand that you were the odd man out as far as our product not working to the best of your needs. I am sorry it worked out that way. I hope that in all of this you you can atleast say that our customer service was good.lol if not I guess it was a total strike out on our part and again I apologize.....
Dave
Well I already covered most of what you rebuttled and I still stand by what I said. Your memory serves you well, mostly, and I'm not going to nit-pick, but I would just like to ask one thing: Why didn't you include mounting instructions, and two screws for the pre-drilled holes? If, for all your other customers, you did, then I must not have received mine. Regardless, I find it ironic that I ordered a complete kit from you and got a more complete kit from HSW when I only ordered half a kit from them.
Don't worry about the angry wife, I've been single for years so that's someone else's, and your customer service is still top notch!
Don't worry about the angry wife, I've been single for years so that's someone else's, and your customer service is still top notch!
Originally Posted by gi8e7oi825
Why didn't you include mounting instructions, and two screws for the pre-drilled holes?
Originally Posted by gi8e7oi825
Regardless, I find it ironic that I ordered a complete kit from you and got a more complete kit from HSW when I only ordered half a kit from them.
Originally Posted by Bad Habit Bird
From your post it sounds like you had to do all sorts of custom drilling/cutting/welding for this project. Why didn't you think to just mount it flush to the core support and drill the holes to match the bracket instead of worrying about if they lined up with the existing holes?
I bought a kit from Dave. In my "complete kit" mindset I began mounting the cell with existing holes and bolts. Why existing holes? I didn't have instructions to tell me that I had to drill holes. I also didn't have screws to hint that I needed to drill holes. Frankly, it wasn't even until THIS thread, a year later, that I discovered I had to drill three holes to mount Dave's cell!
Originally Posted by Bad Habit Bird
How did you get a more complete kit from HSW when you only ordered half a kit from them and transferred parts from the Nitrous Outlet kit to it so it would work?
