5.3 to lq4 swap questions
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5.3 to lq4 swap questions
So I just picked up a 2000 Silverado (dbc) with around 250k miles but super clean. I’m picking up a 2002 lq4 out of an h2 this Friday to swap into it. Motor has 195k miles but the salvage yard said it ran good. The h2 looked well taken care of and had a k&n intake. So my question is should I tear into the motor or just throw it in and go? I have a fti streetsweeper-tq cam (220/224 around .600 lift and 111 lsa) that I’m installing and I’ll put in an ls2 timing chain and melting 10296 oil pump. Plan to run 8.1 injectors also. Truck already has long tube headers. I can get a set of 862 heads locally for dirt cheap and get a head job and surfaced for $200 for everything. This will bump my compression from 9.4 to 10.5. If I do this I’ll also run morel lifters and ls9 head gaskets. Is it worth the extra $600 to do the head swap and put new lifters in? I’m running a 3k stall and comp 918 springs also.
#3
I planned to run the 5315 lifters for $200. I’ve seen the zzp ls7 lifters for $110. I don’t plan to spin the motor past 6300 I just want it to be worry free and easy to check for push rod length. I’m debating on changing the rod bolts. I don’t really want to tear into the bottom of the motor if it doesn’t really need it because then I’m doing a full rebuild. Not sure if ls6 bolts would be an upgrade or if I should just leave the stock gen 3 bolts in there. I know the gen 3 rods are weaker but idk if thr rod bolts are much different.
#4
Also should I check one or two of the rod bearings for wear? If they are good can I just reinstall and torque back down or do I need to check clearances? Should I do a slight hone and replace the rings? I know that some hones will remove too much material so my plan is to pull the heads and check the walls and I’ll pull the pain and check for any issues.
#6
So just keep it all together and swap cam and springs? I’ll also replace the timing chain/ls6 oil pump and rear main/oil pan gasket. Just didn’t know if I would make good gains switching to 5.3 heads and raising compression to 10.5. Once I pull the heads I’ll be another 600 into it with the heads/lifters/ls9 gaskets/head bolts. But I will have a new top end so it might be worth it.
#7
Cost of the motor included I did a break out to see gains to cost what’s worth it. I also picked up some gen v lt1 rods and pistons like brand new for a possible 6.2 build if I did a complete rebuild. Assuming the cylinders look good and no excessive tolerances I may forgo that.
cost of full engine and tuning included
cam only - $1750
cam/head - 2300
6.2 build - 3300
cost of full engine and tuning included
cam only - $1750
cam/head - 2300
6.2 build - 3300
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#9
I’m not looking to drag race it... it’ll be a daily driver that i’ll Play with from time to time. Plan to get a black bear cable tune or possibly a local dyno tune. I want something that will be realiable and fun but not something I’m gonna street race. It has long tubes and the 5.3 feels gutless but idk if it’s tuned or not. If I’m already planning a 93 tune I feel like the 862’s might help power going off what magazines have posted in their comparasions. It’s a good 20/20 across the board
#10
So I’ve came to the conclusion that I’m going to run the 862 heads. I plan to mil them .030 and install the 317 intake valves in them. This will give me right around 11:1 and great flow
#11
I would change the oil pump pickup seal while it is out. I have a low mileage 2006 H2 LQ4 that the seal was completely dried out and crumbled and caused me to have to pull the motor to inspect bearings. Much easier to pull pan quick and change now and not regret later
#12
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Do the heads. The extra compression will help a ton especially since you're doing a cam.
Rod bolts are for over 7k rpm on a gen 3, so be pointless to do a set on your setup. Ask the machine shop that does the heads how much they charge for a valve job and bowl blend. If you can swing the cost do it. A good part of the gains from ported heads come from the blend and valve job.
Sounds like a cool build btw, should be a real fun daily
Rod bolts are for over 7k rpm on a gen 3, so be pointless to do a set on your setup. Ask the machine shop that does the heads how much they charge for a valve job and bowl blend. If you can swing the cost do it. A good part of the gains from ported heads come from the blend and valve job.
Sounds like a cool build btw, should be a real fun daily
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Why not just take the heads off your 5.3 and put on your 6.0 if you want some more compression they would be 706/862 heads? I defiantly wouldn't buy any.
If you have to purchase heads get a set of 243's that will bump you up to around 10.4
I just wouldnt wanna put heads that flow less onto an engine unless its gonna be for low speed torque.
If all you want is a fun little motor then just throw a decent cam and stall in and call it a day, even with the 317 heads
If you have to purchase heads get a set of 243's that will bump you up to around 10.4
I just wouldnt wanna put heads that flow less onto an engine unless its gonna be for low speed torque.
If all you want is a fun little motor then just throw a decent cam and stall in and call it a day, even with the 317 heads
#14
I’m picking up the heads for $40 and I’m selling the 5.3. Complete to help offset some of the 6.0 cost. I planned to get a valve job and take .030 off also to give me 11:1. I’ll ask them about bowl blending as well. I’ve seen Dynos where the 862’s picked up over 20/20 throught the power band. I figured with 195k miles at the very least I need to remove the heads to put on new lifters. When I removed them I’ll check the bores out. I’m really itching to put the gen v rods/pistons in and I just found a forged crank for $100! But if the bottom end is good i’ll run it as is. I’m getting a 6.0 short block for $100 because one cylinder needs to be sleeved. I planned to build that one for whenever this one lets go. My redline will be close to 6300 for now. I’m working on what to do with the trans. I’m either gonna run a sonnax/transgo kit with billet servos or do a full tear down. I feel that since I’m not spinning it the moon the 862’s will add a good bit. My biggest question is should I put the 2” valves in it. They are super efficient I just hope the added flow from the 2” valves shows it on the dyno.
#15
I just ordered a melding 10296 high flow oil pump and the summit timing chain kit. Also orders some ZZP LS7 performance lifters, Chevrolet head bolts, BTR Ls9 head gaskets, and all other gaskets. I will basically be replacing everything on the motor excluding the rotating assembly.
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Sounds like you,ve made your mind up already, should make some good torque!
Why swap on lower flowing heads and try to put larger valves to make it flow better? You could have just had the chambers welded on the 317s for probably the same price as messing with the 862's.Then you would have a higher flowing head and larger valves already in it that will get your compression up if you just have to have 11:1.
As for the trans, find a good used stall and run it till she lets go, Then swap to a 4l80e, most 4l60e even built wont last behind a high powered heavy vehicle .
Just my opinon.
Why in the world do you only wanna rev it to 6300?
Why swap on lower flowing heads and try to put larger valves to make it flow better? You could have just had the chambers welded on the 317s for probably the same price as messing with the 862's.Then you would have a higher flowing head and larger valves already in it that will get your compression up if you just have to have 11:1.
As for the trans, find a good used stall and run it till she lets go, Then swap to a 4l80e, most 4l60e even built wont last behind a high powered heavy vehicle .
Just my opinon.
Why in the world do you only wanna rev it to 6300?
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Honestly I’ve never checked into welding the chambers. I’m only paying $200 for the heads and valve job and taking a few cc’s off. Every magazine article I’ve read shows they flow nearly the same but the 5.3’s are a lot more efficient than the 317’s. Apparently it’s the coeffient effect of the heads. If I do a built trans I’ll go 6600 tops. I don’t plan to beat on it and want it to last. I’ve looked at 80e swaps and can get take outs pretty cheap. I have a double cardan driveshaft so I assume I would only need to shorter the front half due to the 80e being longer. Throw in a new trans crossmember hen buy the new harness adapter and I’m done. Aside from adding a few feet of new trans line and upgrading the trans cooler.
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Pretty sure you can just re'pin 1 or 2 wires in the 4l60e harness and make it work finewith the 80e. Sloppy mechanics has a good write up on it.
the 317's im pretty sure flow like 20+ more cfm so with the same compression ratio they would obviously make more power, you could just mill the 317s from what ive seen people can get them down to about 66cc witch would be close to 10.5:1
Also if you bore the block and run the Ls3 pistons your compression will go WAY up
EDIT: Also if you dont plan to beat on it then why would you want to raise the compression up to the point of needing to run premium fuel all the time?
the 317's im pretty sure flow like 20+ more cfm so with the same compression ratio they would obviously make more power, you could just mill the 317s from what ive seen people can get them down to about 66cc witch would be close to 10.5:1
Also if you bore the block and run the Ls3 pistons your compression will go WAY up
EDIT: Also if you dont plan to beat on it then why would you want to raise the compression up to the point of needing to run premium fuel all the time?
#20
I’ll get on it. Def not gonna baby it all the time. I planned to 93 tune it no matter 9.5 or 11:1 compression so figured I might as well get the max out of it. I can build this trans for as much as it would cost to get a used 80e and all the parts to install it. From what I’ve read most people would rather have a used 80 over a built 60. I found one local for $650 including core charge. $200 in yoke and ujoint, $150 in crossmember, $150 in harness and $600 in circle d converter. This one will let me keep my stock flexplate.