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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 02:15 PM
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How much boost can a studded BBC take before lifting the heads is 25psi with the proper tune doable?
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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 09:54 PM
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we made 35# boost on the dyno and didn't have any problems, but we do run the Big M block with the 4 extra studs in the lifter valley..
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how do you think a new chevy 454 block will do?

is 30psi unreasonable?
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 03:51 PM
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Not to sound rude but what are you trying to put 30lbs through it for??? To put that kind of boost through a big block (ie. 454) you need some serious airflow like a 14-71 overdriven and spun to 7000+RPM or a very large turbo w/ a huge exhaust a/r and the motor has to be able to withstand those kinds of cylinder pressures. At that level you are 200% above atmospheric pressure (2 bar) and if you had a big block doing that you would be making an insane amount of power. What is this going into and what are youre supporting modifications? Not saying that it can't be done but it has to be done right.
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 04:09 PM
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Regardless I want to see it when its done.
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Old Apr 24, 2007 | 07:07 AM
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Not to sound rude but what are you trying to put 30lbs through it for??? To put that kind of boost through a big block (ie. 454)
557" actually


you need some serious airflow like a 14-71 overdriven and spun to 7000+RPM or a very large turbo w/ a huge exhaust a/r
Or an F3 procharger

and the motor has to be able to withstand those kinds of cylinder pressures. At that level you are 200% above atmospheric pressure (2 bar) and if you had a big block doing that you would be making an insane amount of power.
1600+ RWHP

What is this going into and what are youre supporting modifications? Not saying that it can't be done but it has to be done right.
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yea that pretty well sums it up. lol
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Old Apr 24, 2007 | 05:03 PM
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He was asking Evoguy why he'd do this, not Brady. Brady has a known speed sickness, maybe Evojuices does too? Asking huge power of a stock block could be big trouble. If you're willing to risk it, please....please..take video. and wear safety glasses.
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Originally Posted by AutoRoc
He was asking Evoguy why he'd do this, not Brady. Brady has a known speed sickness, maybe Evojuices does too? Asking huge power of a stock block could be big trouble. If you're willing to risk it, please....please..take video. and wear safety glasses.
And don't forget to take the lens cap off I want to see this to
if you build a big block that makes even 20 psi of boost you should use an after market block a stock block is good to around 1000 horse NA.
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Stock BBC's from GM (Non Dart/World Blocks) are good for right at a 1000 before you start making the Cylinders move like someone on dancing with the starts.

How much power are you wanting? Billet 4 bolt splayed caps, head studs, etc are what you are using right?
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Old Apr 25, 2007 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ShawnF
Not to sound rude but what are you trying to put 30lbs through it for??? To put that kind of boost through a big block (ie. 454) you need some serious airflow like a 14-71 overdriven and spun to 7000+RPM or a very large turbo w/ a huge exhaust a/r and the motor has to be able to withstand those kinds of cylinder pressures. At that level you are 200% above atmospheric pressure (2 bar) and if you had a big block doing that you would be making an insane amount of power. What is this going into and what are youre supporting modifications? Not saying that it can't be done but it has to be done right.
Well i run my 93 TA in 7.60 open comp braket racing (trying for extreem street next year). Car has a Forced Induction Thumper S95 Turbo 1.06 T6 exhaust housing. Was thinking about attaching it to a 454, brodix neads, PT2000 A2W intercooler, Being managed by BS3. Car already had a full JW promod Powerglide and is having the 25.5 cage worked on as we speak.

The Class is going as fast as 7.80's at 175.

Most cars are 600ci+ Big blocks on 3 stages of nitrous
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Spend the money on a good block.
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Old Apr 25, 2007 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MADMAN
Spend the money on a good block.
I wanted to know if it could be done on a production block.

Madman who do you think makes a better block, Brodix,Dart, or Merlin?
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Old Apr 25, 2007 | 10:56 AM
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You can not go wrong with a Dart or World piece. You can even order a GM Bowtie Block. That will also hold up very well.
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Old Apr 25, 2007 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BigBronco
You can not go wrong with a Dart or World piece. You can even order a GM Bowtie Block. That will also hold up very well.
Thanks,

Any idea how much more an iron big block is than aluminum. I was already close to my 3500lb max with the old iron SBC setup.
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Old Apr 25, 2007 | 11:29 AM
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Well, the rotating assem. of a BBC is pretty heavy..even with aftermarket parts.... I would say at least a few hundred pounds.
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Old Apr 25, 2007 | 11:42 AM
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At the power level your looking at not very many people (including myself) would recomend going down the stock block path. But, your obviously looking for specific information on how far the stock blocks have actually been pushed.

I'm sure the blown alcohol guy's have pushed the stock blocks higher, but from my personal experience the car shown in my Avatar hit a 8.29 at 3500 pounds on gas with an 8:71 blower shop blower and two plates. Thats over 1400 HP. Even though the engine I built was done on a budget I would not recomend risking parts or worse on an old mark IV BBC. Plus, once all of the machine work is completed on getting the old block up to the task the money difference is not that much (vs a DART big M or eqv). Good luck.
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