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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 11:51 AM
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Right now I am trying to mainly lean down and tone up... I don't want to get huge. I started thismonday.. I am going to the gym every day but sunday. I alternate 3 mile and 1 mile runs. I lift lightly on specific areas on the long run days and lift ever area on 1 mile days. I also throw in 100 crunches. These are right around an hour workout...

M-3 mile, work chest, crunches
T-1 mile, bench, squat, legs, curls, crunches
W-3 mile, work arms, crunches
Th-1 mile bench squat, legs, curls,crunches
F-3mile, work legs, crunches
Sa-1 mile, bench, squat, legs, curls,crunches
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The only part I am unsure about is the diet... I cut out soda and alcohol.... drink atleast a gallon, if not 2 of water a day, juice at every meal. Should I focus on protien or carbs? or just burning more than I intake? Not really a salad kind of person.... any meal suggestions? I know people who bulk up say eat 6 small meals of mainly protein but that doesn't seem healthy...

any meal/exercise/vitamin suggestions would be helpful..
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 01:38 PM
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you will be over working your chest if you do it 4 times a week. that is crazy. i do
monday~chest and tri's
tuesday~back and biceps
wed~ legs and abs and shoulders
thursday~ chest, biceps and abs
you can over work a muscle. when you work out you are actually tearing the muscle so you need to allow that tear to heal and streach then repeat the process.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 02:00 PM
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you will be over working your chest if you do it 4 times a week. that is crazy. i do
monday~chest and tri's
tuesday~back and biceps
wed~ legs and abs and shoulders
thursday~ chest, biceps and abs
you can over work a muscle. when you work out you are actually tearing the muscle so you need to allow that tear to heal and streach then repeat the process.
I'm with black98. You can definately overwork your muscles. Most personal trainers will tell you to not to work the same muscle group within 48 hours. The schedule listed above is a very good one. You can do cardio everyday though (overkill really, but you can do it).
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 02:37 PM
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ok Ill do that, I really have no clue in what to do with muscles.. I never really lifted.. always was a runner though
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 05:25 PM
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ok Ill do that, I really have no clue in what to do with muscles.. I never really lifted.. always was a runner though
You want to give your muscles 2days recovery time in between workouts. like for me...
mon - back/shoulders/abs/run-walk 4-5miles (which im trying to cut hardcore right now)
tues - bi/tri's/abs/cardio
wed / chest/legs/abs/cardio
thurs- same as monday
fri - same as tues
sat - same as wed.

and usually i will only hit chest once a week. these muscles dont need to be worked out as much as others.

Your cardio should be at least 30 mins or more. The key to cutting/toning is burning more calories than you consume basically.

You dont want to skimp on working out thinking that "low weight/high rep" is gonna make you more tone. thats a proven myth.

But your diet is 90% of how you are gonna look. Eat good and like you should....workout like you should....and you will look like you want.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 05:28 PM
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ok...that will be $50 for your first session of personal training.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 05:29 PM
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ok Ill do that, I really have no clue in what to do with muscles.. I never really lifted.. always was a runner though
Try and work each muscle group twice a week. You can over do cardio also. 4-5 times a week 45- 60 minutes will work fine.
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You really kind of have to decide what you want to do. It's usually hard (but not impossible) to build muscle and lose weight at the same time. Usually it's best to do it in cycles. First focus on gaining whatever mass you want, for that eat lots of protein and focus more on weight training. Then when you're satisfied with that, cut back on diet (protein and overall caloric intake) and weights and do more cardio workouts. That usually works better for most people than trying to do both at once.

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I cut out soda and alcohol
You'll be needing that back sooner than you think.
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You can gain muscle weight an reduce fat at the same time you just have to watch your diet.
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Originally Posted by infinitebird
You really kind of have to decide what you want to do. It's usually hard (but not impossible) to build muscle and lose weight at the same time. Usually it's best to do it in cycles. First focus on gaining whatever mass you want, for that eat lots of protein and focus more on weight training. Then when you're satisfied with that, cut back on diet (protein and overall caloric intake) and weights and do more cardio workouts. That usually works better for most people than trying to do both at once.

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You'll be needing that back sooner than you think.
well if you back down on your workout while doing the cardio....you body will feed off the muscle for energy. which is what causes you to lose your mass while on a "cutting" cycle. You dont want to turn down your workout at all but just increase the amount of cardio you do. During a "bulking" cycle you may do cardio 1-2 times a week. But after you have put on the size you want...you will want to increase that to 4-5 times (depending on how easy your body reacts to cardio in a metabolic way) and change your diet up. Your cutting diet and bulking diet will be 2 diff things.
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Originally Posted by quicksilverado
You can gain muscle weight an reduce fat at the same time you just have to watch your diet.
Exactly....
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by quicksilverado
You can gain muscle weight an reduce fat at the same time you just have to watch your diet.
Yeah you can definitely reduce fat by lowering your bf %, I said weight not fat though. If you are building muscle you will likely be gaining weight.
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well if you back down on your workout while doing the cardio....you body will feed off the muscle for energy. which is what causes you to lose your mass while on a "cutting" cycle. You dont want to turn down your workout at all but just increase the amount of cardio you do. During a "bulking" cycle you may do cardio 1-2 times a week. But after you have put on the size you want...you will want to increase that to 4-5 times (depending on how easy your body reacts to cardio in a metabolic way) and change your diet up. Your cutting diet and bulking diet will be 2 diff things.
Interesting. I had heard that you wanted to cut back some on weights because if you kept your workouts at the same intensity while eating a lot less (on a cutting diet) that you wouldn't get enough energy and would become fatigued. There was something about it being dependent on body type too I think.
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If I am going to be doing the cardio plus the different section per day weights.. will I want a lot of carbs to get energy to fuel the cardio?
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Interesting. I had heard that you wanted to cut back some on weights because if you kept your workouts at the same intensity while eating a lot less (on a cutting diet) that you wouldn't get enough energy and would become fatigued. There was something about it being dependent on body type too I think.
not at all...your energy is going to come from the consumption of carbs. Thats the bodys fuel. Even cutting diets consist of 6-10 meals a day. but the diff in those meals versus the bulking meals is the type of food and caloric/fat/carb total. But every pro bodybuilder will tell you do not back off your intensity in the gym at any time.
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If I am going to be doing the cardio plus the different section per day weights.. will I want a lot of carbs to get energy to fuel the cardio?
yes...but "good" carbs....ie....complex carbs....brown rice...veggies...etc. but you should taper your carb intake after about 2pm. most people recommend around 100-200grms of carbs a day. dont worry so much about that as what you are eating though. cut out the fried stuff...cokes....candy....all the junk stuff.
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oh yeah...try and eat dinner by like 6-7pm. eating late and going to bed will kill you too.
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Thats why those people that do the "atkins" diet....lose a **** ton of weight....but size and energy too. When you deplete your body of carbs....it basically feeds off whatever else it can.....fat....muscle...to keep you going. and thats also why most people that do it ....gain a alot back once they start eating normal foods again. soon as the body gets some carbs....it stores it.....ie FAT.
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Originally Posted by BLKWS6
Even cutting diets consist of 6-10 meals a day.
10 meals a day

that's like eating every 90 min.
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oh yeah...try and eat dinner by like 6-7pm. eating late and going to bed will kill you too.
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