i had a run in with a older guy in a yellow '03 cobra last night, from a 2nd gear roll we were dead even until the top of 3rd gear i pulled about 1/2 car, from a dig i bounced the limiter in first <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> and stayed about a car behind till we shut down at about 110. we stopped and talked he was a cool guy his car was stock and was suprised how well my car held up against his. i told him all i had was a catback and lid and he was very suprised i held my own n/a with minimal mods when his car has about 60 hp more than mine does as of now, he gave me a thumbs up and we took off. really nice guy and a beautiful car, i dont think i can hang with him when he mods the cobra, but i was happy with the outcome even though i lost from a dig

 

nice to know that GM + a few bolt-ons can hang with ford + supercharger

 

Dear Lord, not this topic again. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Give it up already and think of something else to whine about... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by titanium barchetta:
<strong> Dear Lord, not this topic again. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Give it up already and think of something else to whine about... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">couldnt have said it better <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

im not whining about anything, im not one to say gm is better than ford or ford is better than gm, im not talking trash about fords, and i dont talk trash about any cars for that matter. and if this topic about '03 cobras is getting played out why do u waste your time to read and reply to my posts telling me to shut up about it. i only shared it cause it was the most fun i had racing and to top it off the guy was chill and told me he used to run around like me 20 years ago looking for races and having fun. theres no need for this "holier than thou" garbage, give it a rest and get a life

 

I wasn't talking to you Sal, it was directed at the 1/4master dude. I wasn't talking about the '03 Cobra issue just the simple fact that everyone seems to point out the obvious about the '03 having a charger. Who cares what it has, just be thankful that Ford made something to at the very least be right beside you let alone rape you up and down the street with about a $1000 in mods.

It just sounds so ghey to hear someone say, "Ford needed a blower...", that's all. I could say GM needed to add cubic inches to beat the lowly little 302 that used to stomp mudholes in every LT-1 on the planet part for part........but I don't. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

-Peace

<small>[ April 20, 2003, 09:55 PM: Message edited by: titanium barchetta ]</small>

 

sorry if i came off sounding like a jerk titanium, that whole ford vs. gm war doesnt phase me im impartial, i bought a ls1 trans am mainly because i wanted a car that i liked from the factory that i didnt have to paint or throw a body kit on, i owned a 73 stang but it ate too much gas,i still love the fox body mustangs but a stock notch back in good condition is hard to come by and the newer ones are nice but i would have to throw a saleen body kit on it, cause the factory design doesnt really get my attention. and yes the 5.0 is a great motor, responds nicely to few mods, but its all power to weight ratio. there are plenty of four and six cylinders that could wipe the floor with me but i dont care, i go out, i have fun, if i lose i lose, if i win i win, give the guy a thumbs up and go find someone else to run, so again sorry, i dont post on here to argue, peace <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

I agree with most of what's been said in this thread. And when I get done teasing my Mustang driving friends, I always say "hey guys, if both the Mustang and F-body didn't exist to compete with each other, the auto companies would not have made them anywhere near as good".
That's pretty much a business law: competition breeds innovation and improvement.

Now, I have no clue where the part about 302's stomping LT1's came from. From '93 to very recently, the stock Z28 beat the pants off the stock Mustang GT.

I'll admit that when I bought my '94 Z28, I test drove a couple Mustangs during my vehicle search. However, it wasn't even a decision I had to think about longer than a minute. The Z28 was much faster, handled better, and braked harder. This was also confirmed in all of the magazine articles I read. Maybe your NOS tank sprang a leak and you've been inhaling the fumes, but the Mustang GT was clearly inferior for many years.

Not trying to start flames. You don't have to "believe" me. Just pick up any comparison article from the 90's and you'll see it's an established fact.

 

the reason is his car weighs like 200 pounds more than yours at least.

 

thanks mike the run was fun <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" /> , thats cool that you can hang and beat z06 vettes, what do u have done to your car that u can hang with them,my friend also has a gt with a 306 and all the bolt ons we just cant get it to hook up i think the stock suspension is def. causing the problem <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" /> , i also agree that the 03 cobra is a very nice car for the money <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> , Excal, i thought the 03 cobra weighed about the same as mine( about 3600 lbs with me in it) i didnt think they weighed much more than that but i could be wrong, im def well aware that i only was anywhere near him cause he was stock, modded he would of flew past me like i was sleeping <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TWS:
<strong>Now, I have no clue where the part about 302's stomping LT1's came from. From '93 to very recently, the stock Z28 beat the pants off the stock Mustang GT.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Who said anything about stock? How many stock cars have you EVER raced or have tried to race you?

And the statement comes from experience in the early 90's all the way until the LS-1 made it into production. Stangs ruled the streets for the most part with very few exceptions, which would explain the plethora of Mustangs still around. I know this is a LS-1 site and have a great time here, but just stating the facts the way they were. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by titanium barchetta:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TWS:
<strong>Now, I have no clue where the part about 302's stomping LT1's came from. From '93 to very recently, the stock Z28 beat the pants off the stock Mustang GT.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Who said anything about stock? How many stock cars have you EVER raced or have tried to race you?

And the statement comes from experience in the early 90's all the way until the LS-1 made it into production. Stangs ruled the streets for the most part with very few exceptions, which would explain the plethora of Mustangs still around. I know this is a LS-1 site and have a great time here, but just stating the facts the way they were. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You are right , I used to beat lt1's all day long, with my 90 gt. I had gear exhaust pulleys , gt 40 intake. I would put at least 1.5 cars on them everytime. Oh by the way alot of them I knew personally and they had exhaust gear etc.....

love the fox bodys

 

sal, nice run man. <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" /> yeah the 03 is a nice looking car.for the record my 89gt with only a few mods would hang with lt1's easy,some gears and headers i was taking out lti's by alittle more then a car.yes the cobra does have a blower but we have a real motor not an little import motor,so they need the blower,they can have it.i dont care to kill a 03 because to me it's more fun killing the z06,and kill them i do.to sum it up,congrats ford guys;it's about time ford got their heads out of their asses and built a real car.

 

Ok some of this is just stupid. I beat this one car but my car had this to do it. This other car can beat this car but he has to do this. once you start putting on mods it kinda throws you in a different bracket to me. If a car if fast it is fast and it doesnt matter what it has from the factory or what is has added now. Just say the car or your car is fast. Saying your car can beat or hang with another one is nice to be able to say but dont forget what you had to do to your car to do that. That is like me saying hey my truck can beat a lightning without bringing up that i spray a 175 shot

<small>[ April 23, 2003, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: RED2K ]</small>

 

sal what is done to my car?ok...it's a 01 ws6 an ams motor 11.1comp,st2ported heads,hammercam,flp headers all boltons,free mods,ram clutch,pro5.0, 12bolt w/gears,hail shock/struts,lca's,panhard, fraim connect,ls1edit,weight reductions,and <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> N.O.S <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> how fast is it-faster then most,but not as fast as some. win or loose,i'm still having fun. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

hey mike the only performance mods i have as of now are the mti clear lid and a corsa catback, ive also lowered it with the eibach pro-kit and it doesnt hook to well off the line anymore, i wanted to do some more engine mods but i think i want to beef up the suspension first, no sense it making it faster when it doesnt hook now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> , you can see pics of my car here my trans am
got any pics of your ws6

 

nice ride sal.yeah i have pics of my car but it was when i first got it totally stock,i cant send yet my computer is being fixed the one i'm on is a loner from my bud.if you still want when my comp-comes back i'll show you,and i'll show pics of the new motor going in too.

 

Titanium barchetta and Sonic Bullet:

Guys, I'm 34 and have been around the street scene a while. In other words, you are right: no one who is into street racing keeps their car stock longer than the drive home from the dealership. I know that.

What you guys are getting at is so totally subjective that there is no way to calmly and logically debate it. The only "level playing field" or logical point of comparison before we slide off the deep end of subjectivity is when the cars are driven off the showroom floor. My statement that you copied (as if it was a point to ridicule) is absolutely and completely true. Sorry that it hurts, but take a Mustang GT and a Z28 out off the showroom from '93 until the new blown Cobra came out and the result of a race was a foregone conclusion.

Now, and I think RED2K was trying to point this out, when we say "well this car or that car responded to bolt-ons or mods better!" is so totally out there as to make a debate pointless. Evidently you guys had good results (and luck) street racing your stangs against F-bods. Well, I can make the same counter-accusation: I beat a boat-load of modded Mustangs with my modded '94 Z28. I won far far more street races than I lost. And looking at people's ET's on the board at the track... same thing, lots of slow modded Mustangs (and yes, a few really fast ones that had some MAJOR mods). See, we can go back and forth on this for an enternity.

My LT1 car responded very well to mods. "very well" is an unscientific evaluation and proves nothing. Same when you say it for Ford 302's. I shaved time off my ET with virtually every mod and could actually document it for you. I went to the track and wrote on the back of my timeslips what mods I had done since the last time out on the 1320. I'm sure plenty of Mustang owners did the same thing. But can we "prove" that one responded better than the other? It would be pretty hard. I guess you'd have to take two bone stock cars, make passes or dyno runs after each and every mod and see who gained more. Even so, the F-body starts out with a big advantage before spending a single $ on mods.

You can fire off replies, but I think it's silly. After the first couple mods are done, finding a common point of comparison gets really amorphous.

Kudos on having fast cars. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> I'm GLAD the Mustang was reasonably quick. Otherwise GM would not have made the F-body so fast. GM is a lazy corporation. It needs to be challenged to get off it's corporate butt and make things happen.

<small>[ April 23, 2003, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: TWS ]</small>

 

I am sorry that you took it that way, but it wasn't my intention to ridcule you just to point out what is fact to me. It also doesn't hurt my feelings to say that stock for stcok the LT-1 was faster. Even though it had more HP than the stang it rarely won in a real street race with good drivers. When the five-o started annihilating the Iroc-Z's back in the day Chevy had to do something to compete, which I agree with you is great! When I compare cars and say that the stang was superior I am also including available parts for modding too. In this respect the LT-1 just doesn't stack up, plain and simple. I am not bashing any car by saying this just stating mine and EVERYONE else in the Houston area's opinion, for the most part, including most LT-1 owners. Like most people on here I respect antything fast, but I just happen to like the look and feel of the fox coupe rather than the batmobile appearance, nine foot wondshield of the F-bodies..... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

yeah mike i def want to see pics of your ws6 and the new motor <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" /> when your comp is fixed,peace <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />