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Hey, i just took LCA and panhard bar if my wrecked formula, I was wondering if they are in good condition am if I should put them on my new car. Thank you.
I'd stay away from the poly/poly LCAs due to their binding issues. The panhard bar would probably be fine, but you won't really see any improvement....
I'd have to agree with blackngold minus the panhard bar as you want to be able to shift your rear end from side to side.
Poly/poly end non adjustable suspension items is almost a waste and no improvement over just putting new bushings in the stock components, if a customer insist on poly poly LCA or PHB we can still make a set that are on car adjustable.
I noticed one picture of the panhard bar is missing the bushing insert also.
I'd have to agree with blackngold minus the panhard bar as you want to be able to shift your rear end from side to side.
Poly/poly end non adjustable suspension items is almost a waste and no improvement over just putting new bushings in the stock components, if a customer insist on poly poly LCA or PHB we can still make a set that are on car adjustable.
I noticed one picture of the panhard bar is missing the bushing insert also.
True, but it doesn't look like that panhard is adjustable unless I missed it.
Those arms will be fine to re-use. As will that panhard if the car is stock height. If you are lowering the car, then you will want an adjustable panhard bar. Just make sure to grease those bushings with a full synthetic grease and they will live a long and trouble free life.
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Those arms will be fine to re-use. As will that panhard if the car is stock height. If you are lowering the car, then you will want an adjustable panhard bar. Just make sure to grease those bushings with a full synthetic grease and they will live a long and trouble free life.
I have some curiosity about the real benefits of switching from stock LCAs and panhard to non-adjustable tubular stuff with poly/poly bushings? Wouldn't stockers loaded with 1LE bushings offer more? Personally I wouldn't want poly/poly on my LCAs and would avoid them, I realize that most drivers won't notice binding, but why use a part that is less than ideal? I could see a little added rigidity from the tubular panhard as being a benefit, but as long as the suspension is moving as designed I don't know how that would help the car...
I feel like most people swap these parts because they are easy and cheap and it makes your car look more racey when it's on a lift, but from a functionality standpoint I don't get it. Ok, I'm done rambling now.
I feel like most people swap these parts because they are easy and cheap and it makes your car look more racey when it's on a lift, but from a functionality standpoint I don't get it. Ok, I'm done rambling now.
I can't stress enough that people say they don't want heim joint ends because of noise. They are getting that noise because they are getting inferior heim joints.
I can't stress enough that people say they don't want heim joint ends because of noise. They are getting that noise because they are getting inferior heim joints.
True to a point, but IF you daily drive on bad enough roads, even the TOP OF THE LINE PREMIUM EXPENSIVE Aurora rod ends will start making the dreaded 'jackhammer knock' in very short order (I know, I have had 3 sets of these on my Global West and UMI rear suspension links ).
The ONLY fully articulating/NON-binding ends I've ever used which are somewhat quiet over time, and on the WORST roads imaginable, are the UMI Roto Joints which are currently on this car.
Maybe because they can be greased (and that helps cushion the 'knock' somewhat), or because they are adjustable for bearing tension, and use delrin bushing race housings, I don't know.
But, they are at least 100x quieter than ANY full heim jointed rod end I've ever used on the street.
I can't stress enough that people say they don't want heim joint ends because of noise. They are getting that noise because they are getting inferior heim joints.
Between the watts, the LCAs and my TA, there are 8 heim joints in the back of my car now and although I was terrified by what I read on here (I assumed the back of the car would sound like a fork in a garbage disposal) I'm extremely pleased with how quiet my setup is.
I'd have to agree with blackngold minus the panhard bar as you want to be able to shift your rear end from side to side.
Poly/poly end non adjustable suspension items is almost a waste and no improvement over just putting new bushings in the stock components, if a customer insist on poly poly LCA or PHB we can still make a set that are on car adjustable.
I noticed one picture of the panhard bar is missing the bushing insert also.
I didn't have to pay anything for them since they came on the car, I was just wondering if I should swap them over to my new one. And yes it is missing the insert, the insert got frozen to the bolt.
Those arms will be fine to re-use. As will that panhard if the car is stock height. If you are lowering the car, then you will want an adjustable panhard bar. Just make sure to grease those bushings with a full synthetic grease and they will live a long and trouble free life.
As of right now the car is at stock hight. Would putting these parts instead of the stock ones offer any improvement?
Between the watts, the LCAs and my TA, there are 8 heim joints in the back of my car now and although I was terrified by what I read on here (I assumed the back of the car would sound like a fork in a garbage disposal) I'm extremely pleased with how quiet my setup is.
Real world experience right here as to why we stay on top of who's heim joints we use and what style for each different suspension item.
An to respond to the other post about heim life, expensive heim doesn't not always equal the correct heim for the application.
vlad1995 I wouldn't waste the time swapping them over to your new vehicle as there will be very little to no gain for the time spent. Just an honest answer from a person that has owned multiple different vehicles with multiple different suspension configurations. We all know someone will purchase them I'd sell them off and put that money towards a new adjustable set.
Every time I have went the cheap route and purchased poly suspension items i find myself purchasing a heim joint set afterwords. I've been modifying cars for myself since the early 90's and seen an tried just about everything.
As of right now the car is at stock hight. Would putting these parts instead of the stock ones offer any improvement?
I will stay out of all the theories about poly binding and its relation to NVH and longevity and stick to the original question posed by the OP. Quite simply, yes. If you have the parts, swap them on and enjoy your car. Just grease those bushings. Many of the horror stories I hear from poly seem to relate to improper or lack of lubrication. If you let it get dry, it will get squeaky and rough and try to bind. If you use a petroleum based grease, it will break down the bushing and fall apart.
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