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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 08:11 AM
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Ever heard of a terminator? just curious...
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LS series engines are very efficient. The LS series two valve heads are outstanding as we all know.

The 03/04 'bras are bad ***. SVT did a great job. However, the an Eaton made it a terminator, not the SVT forged 4.6. Now GM caught on .
that's exactly it right there though. anytime anybody wants to say that the fords can compete with the chevy's, that's the ONLY damn car built lately that they can bring up, and they ONLY built it 2 years, and it was SUPERCHARGED. N/A for N/A, the 4th gens have been pounding on the mustangs for a long time in stock form
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 02:16 PM
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Na for na doesnt really matter if it came supercharged from the factory now does it?

And i do agree that fbodys are better... I own one. But to act like like "OMGZ ANOTHER W3AK f0rd THAT CANT KEEP UPS HAHA" is stupid. And the mach1's and 99/01 cobras with bolt ons can hang very well...
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by w3s1c0a5t
Na for na doesnt really matter if it came supercharged from the factory now does it?

And i do agree that fbodys are better... I own one. But to act like like "OMGZ ANOTHER W3AK f0rd THAT CANT KEEP UPS HAHA" is stupid. And the mach1's and 99/01 cobras with bolt ons can hang very well...
Who ever says 03/04s are weak are idiots. Just slap on a KB and you have a 600hp car. 03/04s are so easy to make fast. A little too easy for me to own however.
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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Na for na doesnt really matter if it came supercharged from the factory now does it?

And i do agree that fbodys are better... I own one. But to act like like "OMGZ ANOTHER W3AK f0rd THAT CANT KEEP UPS HAHA" is stupid. And the mach1's and 99/01 cobras with bolt ons can hang very well...
don't twist my argument. i did however leave out the mach 1's. like you say, those are about dead even stock for stock with an f-body. the terminator's will blow us away in stock form, but Ford had to supercharge them to do it. so what if that's the way they came stock? it's not my fault GM never offered a supercharged version until recently and that damn thing costs $100k. on that note though the ZR-1 > *

the mach 1's and the cobra's are just a fraction of the mustangs that were built and the only ones that can at least hang or blow our doors off. that's not to knock them, because as stated earlier the 03/04 cobras are a DAMN fine piece of machinery, but to judge the rest of the mustangs on just them would be stupid

oh, and before i forget, i guess i better mention the GT500's. there, i said it :p
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 02:47 PM
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 03:32 PM
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Yea there latest body style GT's could run with the LT1. Prob beat the LT1, but how many gens did it take to beat a 4th gen F-body, 1st gen motor? Dont keep up with ford, but im sure they are a few gens behind GM. Just like above poster said "They finally come out with something that will beat the 99 chevy" So what...10 years it takes them to do that and they still stuck in the 4.* engines!
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 03:34 PM
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nah, i have a friend that has an 05 3v GT, and i have to say, they can keep up with an ls1 pretty well. they're still not faster, but they can sorta hang
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 03:43 PM
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Ford needs to do something because the 2010 Camaro SS is about to open up a can of whoopass. Too bad Ford will be a year late to the party. That can lose them some serious market and mind share in the pony car wars, which are finally starting to heat up again. I hope they move forward with a Firebird version, but with the state of GM they'll be lucky to keep the Camaro alive.
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 03:44 PM
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I like the 03-04 Cobras...have been considering buying one, but let me slap a Vortech on my F-Body (actually doing that soon) and I will take that KB Cobra race...is all relative. You can push their forged internals further but again...all is relative mod for mod.
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 02txceta
I like the 03-04 Cobras...have been considering buying one, but let me slap a Vortech on my F-Body (actually doing that soon) and I will take that KB Cobra race...is all relative. You can push their forged internals further but again...all is relative mod for mod.
You can push their forged internals but their cooling system is another matter.


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nah, i have a friend that has an 05 3v GT, and i have to say, they can keep up with an ls1 pretty well. they're still not faster, but they can sorta hang
I'm sure there are some decently quick ones. But from my trips to the track, they've been running at least .1 sec slower et's than my wife's stock TBSS. Its gotta suck to run slower than a heavy SUV in a "pony car."

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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 06:55 PM
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Its gotta suck to run slower than a heavy SUV in a "pony car."

haha priceless..
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 07:05 PM
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Some of you guys amaze me. You act as if ford does not know how to build an na motor with power. I'm sure honda could do it if they wanted to. Its not like only chevy knows how to build na power, you guys are just lucky they do. Unfortunately ls1s weren't much competition sales wise and ford had no reason to bump up hp numbers to lure people in.

The 400hp 5.0 "cammer" motor has been around for several yrs, really surprised they haven't used it sooner. Hopefully they offer a 5.4 4v as an option soon.
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 07:40 PM
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ford guys that come into a chevy forum and get butthurt about threads like this amaze me
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 07:51 PM
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lol cant beat a 2 valves per cylinder pushrod V8
and the reason Ford sells more is because they have so many recalls that once you brake it you have to buy another one lol
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Old Jan 26, 2009 | 09:14 PM
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I'm sure there are some decently quick ones. But from my trips to the track, they've been running at least .1 sec slower et's than my wife's stock TBSS. Its gotta suck to run slower than a heavy SUV in a "pony car."[/QUOTE]

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Old Jan 27, 2009 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rooster99ss
don't twist my argument. i did however leave out the mach 1's. like you say, those are about dead even stock for stock with an f-body. the terminator's will blow us away in stock form, but Ford had to supercharge them to do it. so what if that's the way they came stock? it's not my fault GM never offered a supercharged version until recently and that damn thing costs $100k. on that note though the ZR-1 > *

the mach 1's and the cobra's are just a fraction of the mustangs that were built and the only ones that can at least hang or blow our doors off. that's not to knock them, because as stated earlier the 03/04 cobras are a DAMN fine piece of machinery, but to judge the rest of the mustangs on just them would be stupid

oh, and before i forget, i guess i better mention the GT500's. there, i said it :p
The retarded comment i wrote wasent aimed at you.

No one is judging mustangs on them... I wouldnt own a gt unless i was going to go 4v in it. Or some sort of forced induction.

But the thread says competition. Id say we have some.
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Old Jan 27, 2009 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by w3s1c0a5t
The retarded comment i wrote wasent aimed at you.
i didn't take it that way. i was referring to this statement

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Na for na doesnt really matter if it came supercharged from the factory now does it?
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Old Jan 27, 2009 | 01:56 PM
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Well... NA for NA they can hang. Its just honestly easier in ours. You can go hmmm i want a big cam and bolt ons. Pooooofff 11's. Their's a few guys like bitemark on here(who i met at Dh8 Good guy) who run 11.60's i think with stock longblocks bolt ons and weight reduction. I do agree we have the better end of the stick na vs na. But smart ones can still get it done.

But again 2v's just never got it done. I agree.
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Old Jan 27, 2009 | 01:57 PM
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Mustangs are still going to get there *** handed to them IMO


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Old Jan 27, 2009 | 01:58 PM
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well the factory supercharged arguement is what gets me, but there's no sense in beating that dead horse, lol. i totally agree with the post you just made, 100% correct. It's actually really easy to go REALLY fast with a cobra too, but then again....they're supercharged

i went 11's with spray and boltons myself
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