This is some BS...
my beef with this whole mosque thing is that its ridiculously insensitive. its true the majority of people associate these terrorists with the muslim faith, which is wrong, but the fact of the matter is that they should realize its a touchy subject and just leave it be, even if its somewhat unjustified. islam is sort of an exotic faith here in the usa. im sure in the middle east, if someone blows up a building , they would say " so what, we're muslim too". that is probably why ones christianity is not emphasized when a radical christian performs an act of terrorism here in the usa. im sure the case would be different if said radical christian blows up a building in someplace like china, where the largest religion is buddhism.
sure its true that the majority of modern terrorists are muslim. but its important to remember that their ideology is a perverted sect of islam, and should not represent the whole. the word jihad does not translate to holy war, but rather " struggle", in the sense of struggling to uphold ones faith.
sure its true that the majority of modern terrorists are muslim. but its important to remember that their ideology is a perverted sect of islam, and should not represent the whole. the word jihad does not translate to holy war, but rather " struggle", in the sense of struggling to uphold ones faith.
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Even in Turkey trying to build a brand new Christian church is almost imposible and in most Muslim countries it wouldn't be allowed. In Saudi Arabia it's even against the law to distribute bibles or convert from Islam to Christianity. It carries the death penalty.
Muslim countries are not known for religious tolerance of any kind in general although a few are better than others but most are almost completely intolerant of any other religion and many are intolerant of even opposing types of Islam at that.
You try and build a Christian center of any kind near any Islamic monument of any type and you would be dead.
? I'm not following your logic. You're comparing building a Mosque at the site of wholesale slaughter of innocent people by men under the guise of Islamic religious fanaticism to a site that commemorates our armed forces gaining control of an island from enemy forces who also committed wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of innocent people all throughout Indo-China...... Soooooo this should be a memorial for the extremists? Again, not picking a fight....just not following your logic....
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Muslim countries are going to change drastically in the next generation. They are uneducated and closed minded to the max. Technology and education will fix everything wrong with those countries.
The sad thing is, Muslim countries used to be home to some of the most educated minds in the world. They led the world in engineering and art for centuries, Europe wouldn't be the way it was if it wasn't for the contributions made to science by medieval Muslims.
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You know, in the past it was like that in a lot of places that were Muslim controlled in the middle east and Africa. Lately they've gotten much less tolerant. In many Muslim countries you can be put in jail or put to death for even talking about being a Christian, not even trying to convert, just talking about it.
? I'm not following your logic. You're comparing building a Mosque at the site of wholesale slaughter of innocent people by men under the guise of Islamic religious fanaticism to a site that commemorates our armed forces gaining control of an island from enemy forces who also committed wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of innocent people all throughout Indo-China...... Soooooo this should be a memorial for the extremists? Again, not picking a fight....just not following your logic....
? I'm not following your logic. You're comparing building a Mosque at the site of wholesale slaughter of innocent people by men under the guise of Islamic religious fanaticism to a site that commemorates our armed forces gaining control of an island from enemy forces who also committed wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of innocent people all throughout Indo-China...... Soooooo this should be a memorial for the extremists? Again, not picking a fight....just not following your logic....
NO I was just saying that to the comment the guy said "you do not see Japanese memorials at Pearl Harbor". But we did go on there soil afterwards and put up memorials on there soil. Yes we seized the island but it is back in Japanese hands now. But kept up to date by both them and us. Not saying this is the same just stating facts, of what we have done.
It's all good though.
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From: Trollin DFW Texas
"Permission [to fight] is given to those on whom war is made, because they are oppressed. And Allah is able to assist them-those who are driven from their homes without just cause except that they say: Our Lord is Allah" (22:39, 40)
I personally think this is a good idea, and a right move to repair the tensions between Muslims and Americans. It's being built by a "moderate Muslim" who has actually written about how American democracy is ideal for Islam. It's not just a mosque for Muslims to worship, but a community center for all walks of faith, which does actually include a mosque. I highly doubt it's a "victory memorial" for Muslims, or even a recruiting center for extremists either. Continuing to be pissed off at Muslims, and singling out Islam and condeming that faith will only prolong tensions and fighting, resulting in further economic strains to support the wars, and requiring more lives to be lost. Another excerpt from the Quran:
"And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Surely He is the Hearer, the Knower. And if they intend to deceive thee, then surely Allah is sufficent for thee." (8:61, 62)
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For those of you that think this is just some peaceful muslims looking for a place to pray, do some research. The site was bought by the "Cordoba Initiative" (which is named after Cordoba Spain a city that was taken over by Jihad) for over 4 million CASH and they refuse to reveal their "investors". Look up Faisal Abdul Rauf (and his Father) the leader of the Cordoba Initiave. Do some research then tell me it's just some good hearted muslims looking for a place to hang out!!!!
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as decent an explanation as i've heard lately...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pa...surprised.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pa...surprised.html
why do they HAVE to build it close to ground zero?
Have they no respect for the people that died or their familys??
I have nothing against muslims, if you respect me i will respect you.
Of course, this is america, and they can build where they want, but the fact they want it close to ground zero is a little strange i think.
Someone said earlier in this thread that technology is coming to the middle eastern countries and will change everything, this is wrong, it will never happen because of the perverted religion of islam.
Look at iran for example, they used to be western friendly, building infrastructure, highly educated etc, until the muslims overthrew the shah, now look at that country, they are hanging kids over nothing, following their sharia laws.
When, not if, they want the same laws in the US, they probably will get them. they wont be as severe as in the middle east, but still.
Have they no respect for the people that died or their familys??
I have nothing against muslims, if you respect me i will respect you.
Of course, this is america, and they can build where they want, but the fact they want it close to ground zero is a little strange i think.
Someone said earlier in this thread that technology is coming to the middle eastern countries and will change everything, this is wrong, it will never happen because of the perverted religion of islam.
Look at iran for example, they used to be western friendly, building infrastructure, highly educated etc, until the muslims overthrew the shah, now look at that country, they are hanging kids over nothing, following their sharia laws.
When, not if, they want the same laws in the US, they probably will get them. they wont be as severe as in the middle east, but still.
