The American War Machine
01-21-2011, 02:12 PM
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and jake the snake....yeahhhh dooood....freakinnn conspiracy brooo...wanna smoke this doobie with me???
but seriusly. i know theres gonna be valid points on both arguements.
01-21-2011, 02:49 PM
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also, i forgot who said it, but i did not mean to post up links to liberal websites. all i did was google usa+opium+afghanistan or something to that effect and i took the first few articles. i consider myself conservative for the record.
and just so everyone is clear on this, the whole " our country only goes to war for national interests" is fairly obvious. why would a country go to war otherwise? in world war II, our government did not want to aid britain in the war in europe. in fact, fdr promised the american people that he wouldnt. but after pearl harbor it was in our nations interest to join the fight. in korea and vietnam it was the fight against communism. now its terrorism. i dare you to find factual evidence otherwise. if you really need to have some sort of conspiracy theory, the most plausible would be that the government is setting the stage for upcoming engagements in iran.
i dont mean "you" Duke. i only quoted you because you mentioned the valid points lol
01-21-2011, 03:12 PM
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what about the madox incident? i agree vietnam didnt really have much value for us, but at the time they thought it did. it was all part of the red scare. terrorism is the modern "red scare". only difference is, the soviets didnt kill 3000 americans.
01-21-2011, 04:44 PM
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i really dont see any valid points in any of their arguments. i see no facts, but rather speculation. you can say whatever you want, but if you cant back it up with facts then you may as well not say anything at all. now with regards to the recent WikiLeaks ordeal, where are all of these cables with secret documents about how 9/11 was an inside job? or how the US profits from the heroine trade? or how we're raping Iraq for oil? wheres the proof? you can speculate about things you think you know about but until you have concrete evidence its just bullshit.
also, i forgot who said it, but i did not mean to post up links to liberal websites. all i did was google usa+opium+afghanistan or something to that effect and i took the first few articles. i consider myself conservative for the record.
and just so everyone is clear on this, the whole " our country only goes to war for national interests" is fairly obvious. why would a country go to war otherwise? in world war II, our government did not want to aid britain in the war in europe. in fact, fdr promised the american people that he wouldnt. but after pearl harbor it was in our nations interest to join the fight. in korea and vietnam it was the fight against communism. now its terrorism. i dare you to find factual evidence otherwise. if you really need to have some sort of conspiracy theory, the most plausible would be that the government is setting the stage for upcoming engagements in iran.
i dont mean "you" Duke. i only quoted you because you mentioned the valid points lol
also, i forgot who said it, but i did not mean to post up links to liberal websites. all i did was google usa+opium+afghanistan or something to that effect and i took the first few articles. i consider myself conservative for the record.
and just so everyone is clear on this, the whole " our country only goes to war for national interests" is fairly obvious. why would a country go to war otherwise? in world war II, our government did not want to aid britain in the war in europe. in fact, fdr promised the american people that he wouldnt. but after pearl harbor it was in our nations interest to join the fight. in korea and vietnam it was the fight against communism. now its terrorism. i dare you to find factual evidence otherwise. if you really need to have some sort of conspiracy theory, the most plausible would be that the government is setting the stage for upcoming engagements in iran.
i dont mean "you" Duke. i only quoted you because you mentioned the valid points lol
01-21-2011, 05:06 PM
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the xtremebbq guy said to discuss the issues and counter his points, so i did. i think what it all boils down to though is that joe rogan is a douche. /thread
01-21-2011, 05:32 PM
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01-22-2011, 07:41 AM
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It is pathetic that so many people can watch this video and not figure out the message. It isn't about Joe Rogan, this vid/commentary could have come from anyone. That doesn't matter. It isn't about not supporting the troops. If you got that message, you are ignorant. Joe supports the troops, but feels sorry for them for giving their lives to support big corporations who are profiting from war. They are misled by our government.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual proof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual proof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
01-22-2011, 07:54 AM
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It is pathetic that so many people can watch this video and not figure out the message. It isn't about Joe Rogan, this vid/commentary could have come from anyone. That doesn't matter. It isn't about not supporting the troops. If you got that message, you are ignorant. Joe supports the troops, but feels sorry for them for giving their lives to support big corporations who are profiting from war. They are misled by our government.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual proof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual proof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
01-22-2011, 09:10 AM
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How did the U.S. finally and firmly recover from the Great Depression?
Answer: World War II
Also, anybody remember the movie Schindler's List? Oskar Schindler was unsuccessful at every business he tried before WW II... and unsuccessful at every business he tried after. Only by making stuff for the German Army was he able to make huge $$$ and thereby save 1100 Jews.
War creates business and economic opportunities that often wouldn't be present otherwise.
01-22-2011, 09:49 AM
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YOU CLOSE MINDED *** HOLES THAT SAY HE IS A TRAITOR SHOULD REMEMBER ONE THING ''OF THE PEOPLE ,BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE'' This is what this great country was founded on.....LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE......
01-22-2011, 10:21 AM
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It is pathetic that so many people can watch this video and not figure out the message. It isn't about Joe Rogan, this vid/commentary could have come from anyone. That doesn't matter. It isn't about not supporting the troops. If you got that message, you are ignorant. Joe supports the troops, but feels sorry for them for giving their lives to support big corporations who are profiting from war. They are misled by our government.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual proof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual proof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
yerp. I mean I expect people like you to understand, but this video just proves the point... the masses (undereducated and misguided) will continue to be influenced into making the wrong decisions.
01-22-2011, 10:47 AM
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The average American (or any sane person who has not been programmed from birth) cannot grasp that concept so they think there must be only a corporate reason for pursuing them all over them globe. Yes, people are profiting from it, yes there are people who's only motivation in war is profit, but it does not encompass our entire country or even our government and what we have been forced to do by the extremists actions is unfortunate and necessary to maintain our freedoms. Like the freedom to discuss these matters in an open public forum. We'd be on an execution list for having these discussions in some countries.
01-22-2011, 11:08 AM
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It is pathetic that so many people can watch this video and not figure out the message. It isn't about Joe Rogan, this vid/commentary could have come from anyone. That doesn't matter. It isn't about not supporting the troops. If you got that message, you are ignorant. Joe supports the troops, but feels sorry for them for giving their lives to support big corporations who are profiting from war. They are misled by our government.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual proof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual proof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
01-22-2011, 11:13 AM
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It is pathetic that so many people can watch this video and not figure out the message. It isn't about Joe Rogan, this vid/commentary could have come from anyone. That doesn't matter. It isn't about not supporting the troops. If you got that message, you are ignorant. Joe supports the troops, but feels sorry for them for giving their lives to support big corporations who are profiting from war. They are misled by our government.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual proof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual proof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
You're also forgetting that the nice profit margins encourage R&D to produce weapons systems that make us the most technologically-advanced country on the planet.
Still, as I said in a previous post, there's a fine line between kicking *** when necessary and being involved in half-*** "wars" all the time because it's big money.
01-22-2011, 04:55 PM
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It is pathetic that so many people can watch this video and not figure out the message. It isn't about Joe Rogan, this vid/commentary could have come from anyone. That doesn't matter. It isn't about not supporting the troops. If you got that message, you are ignorant. Joe supports the troops, but feels sorry for them for giving their lives to support big corporations who are profiting from war. They are misled by our government.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual proof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
What matters is that war IS big business. You cannot deny actual proof shown on those profit statements by the key investors. Billions of dollars profit. In an ideal and perfect world, war costs would be zero profit, and weapons manufacturers would just earn enough to keep them operating. That is because we shouldn't like war, and should feel almost forced into it to save our country. Look at WW2, car manufacturers around the globe had to stop building cars and produce weapons/planes to help their respective countries. They didn't want to go to war, but they supported it. It is different now, most of these companies look forward to war and earning billions.
Ever heard the saying:
How do you improve your economy? Go to war.
Simple.
