Mike96z...why do you lie!!?!??
Originally Posted by Mike96z
HAHA
Ill be @ cedar creek today, I told him to come out. Maybe you should come out too. Bring something to run.
Ill be @ cedar creek today, I told him to come out. Maybe you should come out too. Bring something to run.
Im riding shotgun and am a gambling man...Lets do something...
Dunno, went to Redline, Trust me, will never go out there again! It sucks, a bunch of **** that doesnt even have to do with racing. 6 lanes and I got like 3 passes in the whole night. BS. Also just so I can "LIE" some more lmfao. I was going to test n tune because when I added the new **** I knew the car would act different. It was acting up all the way there. Got 4 codes in the PCM and a major Misfire on all cylinders but still ran alright. Add that the the "LIE" list. ./
Originally Posted by Mike96z
Dunno, went to Redline, Trust me, will never go out there again! It sucks, a bunch of **** that doesnt even have to do with racing. 6 lanes and I got like 3 passes in the whole night. BS. Also just so I can "LIE" some more lmfao. I was going to test n tune because when I added the new **** I knew the car would act different. It was acting up all the way there. Got 4 codes in the PCM and a major Misfire on all cylinders but still ran alright. Add that the the "LIE" list. ./
Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
I told you when you texted V6 Bird that it was rice. When you want to race to prove yourself against TX_SS car...you let us know. It doesnt matter what you do...you wont be around from a roll or a dig. I hope you have a grip like a Monkey. You'll need it to catch the tow rope that will be tossed out for ya.
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Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
I told you when you texted V6 Bird that it was rice. When you want to race to prove yourself against TX_SS car...you let us know. It doesnt matter what you do...you wont be around from a roll or a dig. I hope you have a grip like a Monkey. You'll need it to catch the tow rope that will be tossed out for ya.
Originally Posted by Mike96z
Yea I mean all i got is this lil ole dinosaur LT1, not like I can beat anyone!
Its a pretty day for Yellow Belly. Nut up son.
Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
So your nuts have dropped or what?
Its a pretty day for Yellow Belly. Nut up son.
Its a pretty day for Yellow Belly. Nut up son.
Also just so I can "LIE" some more lmfao. I was going to test n tune because when I added the new **** I knew the car would act different. It was acting up all the way there. Got 4 codes in the PCM and a major Misfire on all cylinders but still ran alright. Add that the the "LIE" list. ./
P1351 Ignition Control (IC) circuit high voltage (open circuit)
P1441 Evaporative Emissions (EVAP) system flow during non-purge
P1641 Fan Control (FC) relay 1 control circuit
P1642 Fan Control (FC) relay 2 and 3 control circuit
Yea I just made these codes up!
P1441 Evaporative Emissions (EVAP) system flow during non-purge
P1641 Fan Control (FC) relay 1 control circuit
P1642 Fan Control (FC) relay 2 and 3 control circuit
Yea I just made these codes up!
Originally Posted by Mike96z
What are you illiterate or something? READ! READ! U CAN DO IT!
Guess that **** will just disappear!
Guess that **** will just disappear!
Fans are a relay away from being fixed. Possibly a fuse. Ignition control, replace the coil. Evap...Gas cap away from fixing. So like I said. Nut up! You said you had money. Get it fixed and bring big ***** or stay at home and keep wishing you could beat this LS1.
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Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
Are you ******* stupid? That **** is a simple fix! If you were having catastrophic problems it'd be different.
Fans are a relay away from being fixed. Possibly a fuse. Ignition control, replace the coil. Evap...Gas cap away from fixing. So like I said. Nut up! You said you had money. Get it fixed and bring big ***** or stay at home and keep wishing you could beat this LS1.
Fans are a relay away from being fixed. Possibly a fuse. Ignition control, replace the coil. Evap...Gas cap away from fixing. So like I said. Nut up! You said you had money. Get it fixed and bring big ***** or stay at home and keep wishing you could beat this LS1.
Now you gotta remember how long it took us to fix my fans. Dude that **** took like 3.2 minutes so we gotta cut him a little bit of slack.
Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
Are you ******* stupid? That **** is a simple fix! If you were having catastrophic problems it'd be different.
Fans are a relay away from being fixed. Possibly a fuse. Ignition control, replace the coil. Evap...Gas cap away from fixing. So like I said. Nut up! You said you had money. Get it fixed and bring big ***** or stay at home and keep wishing you could beat this LS1.
Fans are a relay away from being fixed. Possibly a fuse. Ignition control, replace the coil. Evap...Gas cap away from fixing. So like I said. Nut up! You said you had money. Get it fixed and bring big ***** or stay at home and keep wishing you could beat this LS1.
Last edited by Mike96z; Apr 15, 2007 at 03:32 PM.
Heres what helpful information looks like:
The 1351 is the Ignition Control(IC) circuit from the PCM to the ICM. It commands the ICM to fire the coil. In the case of a 1351, this wire is above 4.6 volts when it should be at 0 volts. The IC line is the white wire that runs from the black PCM connector pin 5 to the ICM.
The DTC 1441 is an EVAP system flow during NON_PURGE code. There is a vacuum switch between the engine intake manifold and the evap purge solenoid. When the solenoid is commanded open, the switch opens to let the PCM know the vacuum is flowing. In your case, the solenoid is not commanded open but the switch is still open when it should be closed.
The DTC 1641 is for one of the cooling fan relays and the 1642 is for the other 2 fan relays.
The fans are turned on and off by the PCM. It will provide a ground to the relay when it wants a fan to turn on. This completes the circuit to the relay coil causing the relay to pull in and thus turns on the fan. There is always 12 volts going to the relay coil but it only gets ground (completing the circuit) when the PCM wants the fan on.
In the case of the 1641 or the 1642, the PCM has detected a voltage other than battery voltage on the wire that turns on the relay. It signals by throwing a code.
To explain further, many of the control signals from the PCM are also monitored to be sure they are at the correct potential at times they are not being used. So in the case of the relay control lines, the control line from the PCM to the fan control relays should hover near battery voltage until the PCM pulls it to ground completing the circuit to the relay and thus turning on the relay. Until it pulls the control line to ground, it monitors the line to see if it is at battery voltage.
What you are concerned with here are the dark blue and dark green wires going to the red PCM connector on pins 10 and 11. There should be 12 volts there all the time. If there is no power there, check the 25amp fuse #7 under hood. If it's low voltage but not zero, start by checking the voltage at the battery.
Incidentally, there is one common item that might explain all your symptoms. If the 12 volts supplied by the battery and the alternator were either lower than threshold OR it had too much AC voltage on it. It could cause random PCM failures of varying types. THEREFORE it is a good idea to eliminate the charging system as the cause of weird electrical failures BEFORE going on a wild goose chase.
To do that is simple. Start the vehicle and measure the DC voltage across the battery terminals. It should be around 14 volts. Now to check AC leakage from the alternator, set the meter to AC and measure from the negative battery terminal to the large output post of the alternator. It should NOT be above 0.03 volts AC. If it is above that, the diodes inside the alternator are defective and they are allowing too much AC voltage to get on the 12 volt line. Too much AC can, (notice I said can) make the PCM do strange things.
The DTC 1441 is an EVAP system flow during NON_PURGE code. There is a vacuum switch between the engine intake manifold and the evap purge solenoid. When the solenoid is commanded open, the switch opens to let the PCM know the vacuum is flowing. In your case, the solenoid is not commanded open but the switch is still open when it should be closed.
The DTC 1641 is for one of the cooling fan relays and the 1642 is for the other 2 fan relays.
The fans are turned on and off by the PCM. It will provide a ground to the relay when it wants a fan to turn on. This completes the circuit to the relay coil causing the relay to pull in and thus turns on the fan. There is always 12 volts going to the relay coil but it only gets ground (completing the circuit) when the PCM wants the fan on.
In the case of the 1641 or the 1642, the PCM has detected a voltage other than battery voltage on the wire that turns on the relay. It signals by throwing a code.
To explain further, many of the control signals from the PCM are also monitored to be sure they are at the correct potential at times they are not being used. So in the case of the relay control lines, the control line from the PCM to the fan control relays should hover near battery voltage until the PCM pulls it to ground completing the circuit to the relay and thus turning on the relay. Until it pulls the control line to ground, it monitors the line to see if it is at battery voltage.
What you are concerned with here are the dark blue and dark green wires going to the red PCM connector on pins 10 and 11. There should be 12 volts there all the time. If there is no power there, check the 25amp fuse #7 under hood. If it's low voltage but not zero, start by checking the voltage at the battery.
Incidentally, there is one common item that might explain all your symptoms. If the 12 volts supplied by the battery and the alternator were either lower than threshold OR it had too much AC voltage on it. It could cause random PCM failures of varying types. THEREFORE it is a good idea to eliminate the charging system as the cause of weird electrical failures BEFORE going on a wild goose chase.
To do that is simple. Start the vehicle and measure the DC voltage across the battery terminals. It should be around 14 volts. Now to check AC leakage from the alternator, set the meter to AC and measure from the negative battery terminal to the large output post of the alternator. It should NOT be above 0.03 volts AC. If it is above that, the diodes inside the alternator are defective and they are allowing too much AC voltage to get on the 12 volt line. Too much AC can, (notice I said can) make the PCM do strange things.
Originally Posted by Mike96z
Sorry not that simple. Fans im not too worried about. And the EVAP is not the gas cap, most likely EVAP solenoid or vacuum switch. The 1351 is a major misfire most likely due to a short in the connection to the ICM. Im working on fixing it at the moment and sorry but wrong, I got a new MSD coil, ICM, and everything else for the ignition so I voided those out. Get ur **** straight, from what you posted sounds like you dont know much. Trust me, I wouldnt let some fan relays stop me from running you. Hope ur car is as fast as your mouth is.