Wiring, Stereo & Electronics Audio Components | Radars | Alarms - and things that spark when they shouldn't

Need help with my new car's system!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 26, 2009 | 10:49 AM
  #1  
jmdale1984's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Resident
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 777
Likes: 0
From: Palestine (East Texas), Texas
Default Need help with my new car's system!

I just bought an 09 Cobalt SS. Nice car, has the integrated Bluetooth/On-Star/Ipod controls.

I want to add a much more powerful system, but I REALLY want to keep the factory headunit to maintain all the integrated controls and features.

It has a "Pioneer 7 speaker" factory system. From what I've gathered on the Cobalt forums, the factory HU sends a signal to a small 270 watt amp under the dash that powers a front component set, rear 6 x 9's, and a sealed 10" sub in the trunk.

Only problem with this is that it sounds like crap at anything more than half volume, and even at max volume, isn't loud enough to make me happy.

What I'd like to do is obtain a good 6 channel, low level signal from the factory system, to power:

JL HD900/5 Amp (100w x 4 + 500w x 1, supposed to be available in June)
JL VR 6.5" Components up front
JL VR 6.5" 2-ways in place of the rear 6 x 9's
JL 10w7 or 10w6v2 in the trunk in a sealed box (not reusing the factory box, made out of cheap plastic, I'll build my own)

I'll have no problem running power, ground, and speaker wires. I'm just stumped on getting the signal. It looks as though it may be possible to steal the signal from the factory amp to run my HD900/5, but I can't be sure about the low level voltage. Does anyone know how to test that?

There is also the option of using a sound processor, but that's looking expensive, and I'll avoid it unless it's going to have a big impact on sound. Rockford offer a SP (RF 360) that looks like it'll do everything I'd want, and more, but it cost's about $600. JL offers a SP that only has a 4 channel output and still costs $300. MTX has one, too, but I'm not one to trust MTX for high quality sound. I'm definitely open to advice about these, as I've never used a sound processor.

I tried to figure all of this out on the Cobalt forums, but it seems like all these guys are either changing the head unit, or running a line level converter from the factory amp's sub output. That just doesn't seem like a good idea to me, too much chance for distortion.

Any of you guys that have dealt with the late model GM systems, I'd really appreciate your help here. Thanks in advance!
Reply
Old May 26, 2009 | 11:37 AM
  #2  
Flaring Afro's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,183
Likes: 0
From: VA
Default

from how I see it thats like going from composite (yellow) to hdmi video. Changing it to hdmi won't help, because it already had to be formatted to composite and lost quality.

Going high to low to amp wont be any better than buying an amp with a high level input. To me, that just leaves room for distortion from the converter having to convert it back, especially if the converter is cheap.

Just find a 5 channel amp with high input, even if it isnt JL which you seem to really prefer.
Reply
Old May 26, 2009 | 12:03 PM
  #3  
jmdale1984's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Resident
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 777
Likes: 0
From: Palestine (East Texas), Texas
Default

Originally Posted by Flaring Afro
from how I see it thats like going from composite (yellow) to hdmi video. Changing it to hdmi won't help, because it already had to be formatted to composite and lost quality.

Going high to low to amp wont be any better than buying an amp with a high level input. To me, that just leaves room for distortion from the converter having to convert it back, especially if the converter is cheap.

Just find a 5 channel amp with high input, even if it isnt JL which you seem to really prefer.
This is exactly what I'm getting at. The factory head unit sends a low level signal to the factory amp.

I'm trying to figure how to use that signal for a factory amp, specifically because I don't like the idea of going high to low back to high. And I definitely don't want to run a cheap converter.

And yes, I do love my JL! Hasn't disappointed me yet!

On the other hand, Kicker, RF, Memphis, Infinity, Clarion, and American Bass all have disappointed me in one way or another.
Reply
Old May 27, 2009 | 11:31 AM
  #4  
jmdale1984's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Resident
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 777
Likes: 0
From: Palestine (East Texas), Texas
Default

I'm also having trouble deciding which subs to use. I'll definitely use a sealed box, but maybe you guys can offer a bit of input on my sub setup.

The power will be 500w RMS (via a JL amp, so probably more like 600, realistically). I'm choosing from the following (stuck on JL, so live with it ) :

2 8w7s
2 10w6v2s
1 10w7
1 12w6v2

I listen to a lot of metal (Walls of Jericho, Slayer, Mastodon, As I Lay Dying, etc), a little rock (Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Papa Roach, etc.) and a lot of Reggae-Rock/Dance-Hall/SoCal type stuff (311, Sublime, Pepper, Slightly Stoopid, The Expendables, RHCP).

The 500/1 & single, sealed 8w7 combo is great in my Camaro, except I would like a little more bass for the death metal type music that is less bass intensive. That's why I'm looking at either 2 subs, or a bigger sub with more excursion.

Thanks
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:14 AM.

story-0
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-1
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-2
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-3
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-5
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-8
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-9
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE