Monstercable VS Scosche
For power lines, and ground I just ran 4g welding wire, it's flexible, inexpensive and seems to work really well. I guess the downside it doesn't have all the pretty colors for insulation, just stuff designed to withstand gas, oil, being dragged around and generally beat on.
I used mostly fosgate wiring including amp kit, sounddomain when they were still around had good prices, for my RCAs I got a stinger four way cable, but I did run out of fosgate speaker wire and bought some scosche for some shorter runs, and it worked fine
Monster cable is a huge rip off, the company has always been and they pride themselves in it. I mean the douche bags even tried to trademark the word monster.
Monster cable is a huge rip off, the company has always been and they pride themselves in it. I mean the douche bags even tried to trademark the word monster.
An extention cord also has some good wire. You'll be surprised how clean the wire is. I used it once when i ran out of speaker wire on a friends car, its ghetto but it works, lol.
i run monster when i can
I use schoche for low low budget builds and I've had a little trouble with their AV wires basically falling apart then sound quality goes to ish
run monster if your willing to pay the extra dough or you may be replacing some wires eventually going with a cheap brand
I've ran some other generic and it only lasted a few months don't remember the name though.
the cool thing about wally world is you can return just about anything. i bought a sony amp for my oldsmobile beater and everytime it blows i buy a new one and return the bad one
I use schoche for low low budget builds and I've had a little trouble with their AV wires basically falling apart then sound quality goes to ish
run monster if your willing to pay the extra dough or you may be replacing some wires eventually going with a cheap brand
I've ran some other generic and it only lasted a few months don't remember the name though.
the cool thing about wally world is you can return just about anything. i bought a sony amp for my oldsmobile beater and everytime it blows i buy a new one and return the bad one
Ive used Phoenix Gold cable, Monster, Knukonceptz, Tiff and even some KimberKable.
for power, wire is wire as far as conductivity, as long as its copper. i hear arguments that the more strands it has the more "surface area" is has to conduct more. not true. the more strands it has just means its more flexible. welding cable is typically pretty stiff and when you bend it enough itll break easier. also, when crimping on connectors, they stay better if the wire is more flexible.
as far as patch cords, i also agree that this is not smart to skimp on. Ive run two types, PG QLX series and now im running Monster XLN PRO series. Ive done installs with KimberKable and yes its great stuff, but the most overpriced for sure.
what everyone as neglected to mention on patch cables is the connector. a good connector will be hard to connect and detach, while cheapies will go on and come off way too easily.
for power, wire is wire as far as conductivity, as long as its copper. i hear arguments that the more strands it has the more "surface area" is has to conduct more. not true. the more strands it has just means its more flexible. welding cable is typically pretty stiff and when you bend it enough itll break easier. also, when crimping on connectors, they stay better if the wire is more flexible.
as far as patch cords, i also agree that this is not smart to skimp on. Ive run two types, PG QLX series and now im running Monster XLN PRO series. Ive done installs with KimberKable and yes its great stuff, but the most overpriced for sure.
what everyone as neglected to mention on patch cables is the connector. a good connector will be hard to connect and detach, while cheapies will go on and come off way too easily.
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Verdad Gallardo How's that not true? Second semester classes of basic physics will teach you that most of the charges travel along the surface of a conductor, not through it. So, if that's the case, more surface area = less resistance.
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Wire is wire. You guys are wrong. And if you want to prove otherwise, you need to pass a double-blind ABX test at least 9 out of 10 times.
Hatchetman, the skin effect is almost nonexistant at audio frequencies and is completely nonexistant with DC. It's imporant in radio frequency only, basically. I love it when people talk about "basic" knowledge and they get it wrong.
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Wire is wire. You guys are wrong. And if you want to prove otherwise, you need to pass a double-blind ABX test at least 9 out of 10 times.
Hatchetman, the skin effect is almost nonexistant at audio frequencies and is completely nonexistant with DC. It's imporant in radio frequency only, basically. I love it when people talk about "basic" knowledge and they get it wrong.
Even if the skin effect IS almost nonexistant for this application, the fact still remains that if you have much less conductor, the resistance is higher. Unless I looked at a mis-labeled piece of scosche wire, it was way smaller than the same size in tsunami or monster. If they can't even get the wire size right, why would you spend money on them?
who ever said that it travels on the surface? the way electricity moves is electrons are transferred from one atom to another. They arent smart enough to know if they are on the surface.
Im an electrical engineer with about 11 years of car audio install experience. i have never noticed a difference in conductivity, just in flexibility.
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well if you want to get into physics then look at a high strand `count cable, theres room for air molecules between strands. this makes it not pure copper.
who ever said that it travels on the surface? the way electricity moves is electrons are transferred from one atom to another. They arent smart enough to know if they are on the surface.
Im an electrical engineer with about 11 years of car audio install experience. i have never noticed a difference in conductivity, just in flexibility.
who ever said that it travels on the surface? the way electricity moves is electrons are transferred from one atom to another. They arent smart enough to know if they are on the surface.
Im an electrical engineer with about 11 years of car audio install experience. i have never noticed a difference in conductivity, just in flexibility.
As an "electrical engineer", I'm surprised you're not familiar with skin effect and related things such as Litz wire. Granted, it doesn't apply to DC or most audio applications but electrical current does tend to migrate to the outer surface of a wire strand in high frequency applications.
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Anyway, for the record, my point is not that Scosche=win, just that you should get what's cheap (as long as it's got thick enough power/ground cable). If Monster was really cheaper for you then that was fine. Just that I saw someone say like $60, which was too much.
you cannot hear a difference...
I'm not saying to go and twist some coathangers up and throw em around your car... just buy what you "want" because your ears wont know the difference..
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We gathered up a 5 of our audio buddies. We took my "old" Martin Logan SL-3 (not a bad speaker for accurate noise making) and hooked them up with Monster 1000 speaker cables (decent cables according to the audio press). We also rigged up 14 gauge, oxygen free Belden stranded copper wire with a simple PVC jacket. Both were 2 meters long. They were connected to an ABX switch box allowing blind fold testing. Volume levels were set at 75 Db at 1000K Hz. A high quality recording of smooth, trio, easy listening jazz was played (Piano, drums, bass). None of us had heard this group or CD before, therefore eliminating biases. The music was played. Of the 5 blind folded, only 2 guessed correctly which was the monster cable. (I was not one of them). This was done 7 times in a row! Keeping us blind folded, my brother switched out the Belden wire (are you ready for this) with simple coat hanger wire! Unknown to me and our 12 audiophile buddies, prior to the ABX blind test, he took apart four coat hangers, reconnectd them and twisted them into a pair of speaker cables. Connections were soldered. He stashed them in a closet within the testing room so we were not privy to what he was up to. This made for a pair of 2 meter cables, the exact length of the other wires. The test was conducted. After 5 tests, none could determine which was the Monster 1000 cable or the coat hanger wire. Further, when music was played through the coat hanger wire, we were asked if what we heard sounded good to us. All agreed that what was heard sounded excellent, however, when A-B tests occured, it was impossible to determine which sounded best the majority of the time and which wire was in use. Needless to say, after the blind folds came off and we saw what my brother did, we learned he was right...most of what manufactures have to say about their products is pure hype. It seems the more they charge, the more hyped it is
I'm not saying to go and twist some coathangers up and throw em around your car... just buy what you "want" because your ears wont know the difference..
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