Ecotech availability soon?
10-09-2013, 11:08 PM
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Ecotech availability soon? How long do you guys think it will take for the new ecotec ls engines to become available some what reasonable from the salvage market? I'm hoping for late next summer! That may be wishing on a prayer tho!! I have a square body s10 ready to swap in a 4.3 ecotec with auto trans from 14 silverado! What u guys think about this time line?
10-09-2013, 11:55 PM
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They are available as soon as the first guy wrecks one. But why would you want that little 285hp V6 when you can get a 330hp+ (stock) V8....probably for less money?
10-10-2013, 05:12 AM
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Hit the right chop shop and you can probably get one sooner than that.
I thought Ford was using the ecotec moniker?
If the new motor has direct injection you may want to wait for the aftermarket to catch up. Might be a challenge to tune.
I thought Ford was using the ecotec moniker?
If the new motor has direct injection you may want to wait for the aftermarket to catch up. Might be a challenge to tune.
10-10-2013, 08:38 AM
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The Ecotech name has been around for quite a while in the 2.2 four cylinder. the turbo Ecotech (Cobalt SS) has been a popular engine in the off-road/desert racing scene for a while. Turnkey has been tuning them for a while, 300+ reliable horsepower is pretty easy with them.
10-10-2013, 09:24 AM
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The Ecotech name has been around for quite a while in the 2.2 four cylinder. the turbo Ecotech (Cobalt SS) has been a popular engine in the off-road/desert racing scene for a while. Turnkey has been tuning them for a while, 300+ reliable horsepower is pretty easy with them.
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10-10-2013, 02:09 PM
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To me that just sounds like taking the prettiest fat girl to prom.
V8 has more power, will cost less, and there's parts available to make the swap possible. People often make the mistake of thinking less cylinders means better fuel economy. The truth is it's all about power to weight ratio. If I put a Viper engine in a Civic, that 650hp monster doesn't feel any strain at all. Put the little 4 cylinder in the 3500lb Viper, and you're killing yourself on gas.
The 6 and 8 cylinder engines in the GM lineup are closer in performance than the Viper/Civic example, but still the 2013 Silverado models get 15 city, 20 highway for the V6, and 15 city, 21 Highway for the V8. More power pulling the same weigh will always increase MPG, as long as you're not putting your foot to the floor all the time
V8 has more power, will cost less, and there's parts available to make the swap possible. People often make the mistake of thinking less cylinders means better fuel economy. The truth is it's all about power to weight ratio. If I put a Viper engine in a Civic, that 650hp monster doesn't feel any strain at all. Put the little 4 cylinder in the 3500lb Viper, and you're killing yourself on gas.
The 6 and 8 cylinder engines in the GM lineup are closer in performance than the Viper/Civic example, but still the 2013 Silverado models get 15 city, 20 highway for the V6, and 15 city, 21 Highway for the V8. More power pulling the same weigh will always increase MPG, as long as you're not putting your foot to the floor all the time
10-10-2013, 10:22 PM
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To me that just sounds like taking the prettiest fat girl to prom.
V8 has more power, will cost less, and there's parts available to make the swap possible. People often make the mistake of thinking less cylinders means better fuel economy. The truth is it's all about power to weight ratio. If I put a Viper engine in a Civic, that 650hp monster doesn't feel any strain at all. Put the little 4 cylinder in the 3500lb Viper, and you're killing yourself on gas.
The 6 and 8 cylinder engines in the GM lineup are closer in performance than the Viper/Civic example, but still the 2013 Silverado models get 15 city, 20 highway for the V6, and 15 city, 21 Highway for the V8. More power pulling the same weigh will always increase MPG, as long as you're not putting your foot to the floor all the time
V8 has more power, will cost less, and there's parts available to make the swap possible. People often make the mistake of thinking less cylinders means better fuel economy. The truth is it's all about power to weight ratio. If I put a Viper engine in a Civic, that 650hp monster doesn't feel any strain at all. Put the little 4 cylinder in the 3500lb Viper, and you're killing yourself on gas.
The 6 and 8 cylinder engines in the GM lineup are closer in performance than the Viper/Civic example, but still the 2013 Silverado models get 15 city, 20 highway for the V6, and 15 city, 21 Highway for the V8. More power pulling the same weigh will always increase MPG, as long as you're not putting your foot to the floor all the time
so I think it would be the perfect swap into a first gen s10. As far as " why the v8 has more power" if this is truly your motto, then you should condemn everyone on this forum for swapping in a ls1, 2, 6, 7,9, lq4, lq9, lm7, l92, they should have opted for a zz572 with twin turbos, or a pro stock engine, or a 800 CID Donovan block or a alcohol pro mod engine, or a nitromethane fuel hemi! My point is max power is not always the objective! P.S
10-10-2013, 11:36 PM
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I disagree, the new 4.3 is standard engine for the 14 silverado, so when it does hit the salvage market will be more affordable then the v8's! And your rite about the fuel milage, and I agree a full size pick up with a v6 the fuel milage to power ratio isn't worth the difference I would choose the v8 in that application. However most people look at the price tag and choose to not pay 2500 extra for a v8 option cause they don't care about power. The s10's originally came with a 4.3 v6 and the new ecotech 4.3 is what a lot of gm v6 fans have bin praying for because it is a ls based v6! so I think it would be the perfect swap into a first gen s10. As far as " why the v8 has more power" if this is truly your motto, then you should condemn everyone on this forum for swapping in a ls1, 2, 6, 7,9, lq4, lq9, lm7, l92, they should have opted for a zz572 with twin turbos, or a pro stock engine, or a 800 CID Donovan block or a alcohol pro mod engine, or a nitromethane fuel hemi! My point is max power is not always the objective! P.S
so I think it would be the perfect swap into a first gen s10. As far as " why the v8 has more power" if this is truly your motto, then you should condemn everyone on this forum for swapping in a ls1, 2, 6, 7,9, lq4, lq9, lm7, l92, they should have opted for a zz572 with twin turbos, or a pro stock engine, or a 800 CID Donovan block or a alcohol pro mod engine, or a nitromethane fuel hemi! My point is max power is not always the objective! P.S
10-11-2013, 03:07 AM
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if not ls...
why not shoot for a one of the DI v6 engines? theyve been used in impalas for a while now. 3.6L V6 naturally aspirated factory rated 310hp
i rented a impala ltz (2012 i think) that had it. well rounded engine (fwd was the only draw back on that particular car). im looking to purchase a 2nd gen cts as my dd/commuter - thats how much i fell in love with the engine lol
why not shoot for a one of the DI v6 engines? theyve been used in impalas for a while now. 3.6L V6 naturally aspirated factory rated 310hp
i rented a impala ltz (2012 i think) that had it. well rounded engine (fwd was the only draw back on that particular car). im looking to purchase a 2nd gen cts as my dd/commuter - thats how much i fell in love with the engine lol
10-11-2013, 08:32 PM
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The Aussies refer to the series 2&3 3800's as ecotecs too , I spent years playing with them , stout 6 bangers ..quickest stock block/rotating assembly 3.8 went 8.6@159 in a front drive Grand Prix (ZZP racing) it was a big turbo setup and another guy in aus. Went 7.9's with one in a late 70's Datsun mini pickup.
I have big respect for the 3800 and it would be another engine to consider , cheap to buy and plenty of mods available but my reasons to point you to LSx over any 6 banger would be (from experience) there is nothing you can do to make a 6 sound like an 8 and resale everyone wants an LSx swap on the other hand if what you want to do is be different don't do LSx lol and maybe I just pointed you towards another viable option...
I have big respect for the 3800 and it would be another engine to consider , cheap to buy and plenty of mods available but my reasons to point you to LSx over any 6 banger would be (from experience) there is nothing you can do to make a 6 sound like an 8 and resale everyone wants an LSx swap on the other hand if what you want to do is be different don't do LSx lol and maybe I just pointed you towards another viable option...