Street Car, !Front Bumper Support?
05-09-2005, 11:31 AM
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Street Car, !Front Bumper Support? Just how dangerous is removing the front bumper support on a street car? I hit the track up a handful of times a year, most of the driving is done on the street and since its not a max effort car anyway. This would lead me to believe that I'd be better off just leaving it alone. What do you guys think?
05-09-2005, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by josh99ta
Just how dangerous is removing the front bumper support on a street car? I hit the track up a handful of times a year, most of the driving is done on the street and since its not a max effort car anyway. This would lead me to believe that I'd be better off just leaving it alone. What do you guys think?
Don't get in an accident.
In my experience wrecking F-cars the frame is where the strentgh is. 
05-09-2005, 04:01 PM
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Mine has been out for acouple of years now. I feel safe with it out. The rails stick out so that leaves you some protection, obvious if you centered a telephone pole or tree you could be screwed. It sounds to me like you don't want to pull it, so if you think your ok with an extra 18-20lbs on the nose, leave it.
05-09-2005, 06:37 PM
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I'd leave it. I have pulled my HVAC, PS, ABS etc. but I'm leaving the bumpers in. If you wanna take the 20lbs off the nose, move the battery to the rear, get a lightweight k member, remove somestuff. That's just my opinion.
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05-09-2005, 09:57 PM
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Josh, I have a few pics of how I did it, in my mtfba photo gallery. The Camaro is a little different than your setup, plus I was doing a front breather conversion at the same time, so some of the pics won't apply exactly. I retained part of the metal beam, and part of the styrofoam, because I didn't want to have the fascia buckle in at speed. Still got rid of 75% of the weight, and a whole lot more air through the radiator.
05-09-2005, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by John_D.
Josh, I have a few pics of how I did it, in my mtfba photo gallery. The Camaro is a little different than your setup, plus I was doing a front breather conversion at the same time, so some of the pics won't apply exactly. I retained part of the metal beam, and part of the styrofoam, because I didn't want to have the fascia buckle in at speed. Still got rid of 75% of the weight, and a whole lot more air through the radiator.
05-10-2005, 07:55 AM
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Pictures 3-17 on page 1 show the whole front breather conversion, except for where I sealed up the bottom. The last few pictures show what remained of the beam and the foam.
http://www.mtfba.org/forum/category.php?cid=36
http://www.mtfba.org/forum/category.php?cid=36
05-10-2005, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SUX2BU
i still think its funny that people think the front bumper cover will buckle in on itself atr high speeds.
Hilarious ain't it... Air flow at 100mph+ can't have any significant force on an unsupported piece of plastic.
SmokinHawk must have been dreaming when he wrote this:
(dang 3000 post newb's...)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/270127-racers-poll-who-s-removed-their-bumper-supports-does-your-front-clip-sag.html
And Chrispy too, on the second page of this post.
(heck he's only got nearly 9000 posts, he's still wet behind the ears.)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/239054-camaro-owners-without-bumper-supports-come-aero-related.html
05-10-2005, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by glennster
Leave it alone,make your car fast and brag about no weight reduction.A street car is not a racecar,stay safe.
For a car that sees any significant amount of street time, I say leave it in.
05-10-2005, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by John_D.
Hilarious ain't it... Air flow at 100mph+ can't have any significant force on an unsupported piece of plastic.
SmokinHawk must have been dreaming when he wrote this:
(dang 3000 post newb's...)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270127
And Chrispy too, on the second page of this post.
(heck he's only got nearly 9000 posts, he's still wet behind the ears.)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239054
SmokinHawk must have been dreaming when he wrote this:
(dang 3000 post newb's...)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270127
And Chrispy too, on the second page of this post.
(heck he's only got nearly 9000 posts, he's still wet behind the ears.)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239054
FYI......post counts don't = knowledge. It means more time spent posting. That's it.
Not saying either one does/does not know anything. BTW the one reference said it started at 150 mph. How many see that speed at the track or highway?
05-10-2005, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by John_D.
Hilarious ain't it... Air flow at 100mph+ can't have any significant force on an unsupported piece of plastic.
SmokinHawk must have been dreaming when he wrote this:
(dang 3000 post newb's...)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270127
And Chrispy too, on the second page of this post.
(heck he's only got nearly 9000 posts, he's still wet behind the ears.)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239054
SmokinHawk must have been dreaming when he wrote this:
(dang 3000 post newb's...)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270127
And Chrispy too, on the second page of this post.
(heck he's only got nearly 9000 posts, he's still wet behind the ears.)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239054
05-10-2005, 09:27 AM
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I was looking for a picture I saw on here, but I can't find it. It's a Camaro (I think they would be worse than the TA/Firebird). It's not what I would call caved in. The peak/point in the very front is somewhat self-supporting, so it's not the front that gets pushed in. It's the large flat surface on top that gets smashed down. It's actually pretty flimsy when there's nothing under it. You can push it in with your hand easily. Sure it springs back up when you take the pressure off, but I'm still not too keen on it...
