photoman9988

I was reading the sticky on the true cost of forced induction, and I noticed a lot of thing I had to buy to basically strengthen my engine. Well I know 10 import guys that put turbochargers on their cars without doing anything else to their engine, and they work just fine. So why do WE have to upgrade so many parts to use a turbo instead of just slap one on like the import guys?

Mavmavv

Ask them in 6 months how their engines are doing.

You dont HAVE to do the upgrades in the sticky, your engine just might not live as long.

t-1

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those imports are turbo'd and still slow the stick is for going fast not just making whoosh noises

calongo_SS

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You don't have too, but when you get greedy like most do you'll break something. My car has been at almost 600 rwhp for a year. Ask the import guys how many of them are doing that on a stock motor.

NSSANE02

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Any car (including those imports) that has a bone stock engine and a turbo/SC is either running very low boost, on its last leg, or is never driven. The import guys that are interested in making real power have (mostly) built motors too.

Bandit28

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Yeah right they sleeve those blocks just like ours. Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Toyota! I have seen a 900FWHP hatchback with a sleeved block and one hell of a tuner from INDY.

Bandit28

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I know hondas crack their stock sleeves on the regular!

NSSANE02

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Yup, I used to know a bunch of Honda guys and the only ones running decent boost on stock engines were literally trying to blow them up... and succeeded rather quickly too.

Sideways240sx

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there are some factory cars that do great with a stock blocks... turbo supra's, Sr20det's due pretty well.. 4g's do good. But none are bullet proof....

lots of people do safe tunes, and get by for a long time on stock blocks.. The thread you read is just making sure you know, so when your engine pops its not a suprise to you.

Shearer

You can't use a blanket term like "imports". There a few engines that stand out in the crowd. Mainly the Mitsu 4g, Toyota 2jz, Nissan RB, and probably one or two others I am forgetting. These motors come with good parts from the factory and are very stout in stock form.

NSSANE02

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I was thinking mre along the lines of the newer, more common imports like most hondas. But yeah there are a very select few that have very strong stock engines.

badass99ss

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Seems like all the local Honda guys around here blow their stuff up every other month. They just buy all the stock crap they can find for dirt cheap and throw a turbo on it. They dont care if it blows or not, the parts are everywhere and dont cost ****. One guy around here up-ed the boost just to beat a 04 Cobra knowing he was going to blow the motor. He might have beat him by a nose, but the cobra DROVE home.

Troy

nighthawk15

We don't have to either. You can run 5-6 PSI and be fine, plus make quite a bit of power while you're at it. But much more and the engine will make quick work of itself and blow up. Those guys with a turbo on a stock, originally N/A import engine are either running low boost, don't care if they blow up their engines, or are just too ignorant to know a stock engine with substantial boost won't last. Every seriously built FI import I've ever seen had serious engine work.

OUTLAWZ RACING

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There is no bullet proof anything. There is **** that last and **** that breaks. Now the majority of import motors are low compression to begain with thats a plus. Now with ls series motrs compression is alittle high and some guys just bolt,boost and blow up. When you look at at force feeding a v8 takes bigger injectors and fuel pump. a 150 gph pump with 26-30 pound injectors will net you 500 hp on the edge. more air more fuel. Import motor have smaller bores thus the fuel system dosent need to much modding at less boost levels. Face it 8 psi on a v8 is by all means harder to feed than on a import. So bullet proof is not there its just dynamics of two different motors. Bigger bore more fuel, smaller bore moderate boost less fuel. Everybody knows in order to bring a 150 hp import motor to 400 hp takes moderate boost vs a v8.

Shearer

That was enlightening.

2002camaroSS

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I agree I know of plenty sleeved hondas. I have a couple buddies that are all about them.

elias_799

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Honda engines are GARBAGE most of them are open deck motors and that turns in to a after you show it some boost. most Honda guys that run fi setups close the deck (now cheap), get new pistons, rods.

the 2jz and the rb series motors can handle allot of boost in stock form, but at some point you are going to realize that there is no replacement for displacement.

NSSANE02

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For boosted applications, yes

While I agree to some extent, there are many Supras making an insane amount of power and with all the competition in the Supra world they have yet to see their limit. Of course an equally-strong engine with more displacement will obviously have more potential, but most importantly, a Poopra will NEVER sound like a big bad *** V8

b00sted

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Most honda guys sleeve the block at 450-500whp+. That's around a G note. After that they're good for 700-800+whp even with the stock crank.


The 2JZ motors are known for making 700 to the wheels with an almost untouched longblock with usually just ARP head studs and a set of cams.

TurboZ28408

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hondas honestly have no need for upgraded cranks. the fastest guys out there have bone stock cranks and personally i've never seen one snap or break