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Old 03-01-2010, 01:02 AM
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I think due to belt tension or other , my callies crank has snapped after the front cap just before the first rod near the shaft. damage seems minimal, but now it has me worried if i replace the crank that it will happen again . i have read that it is common for f1 applications to brake cranks , is this the common area where they brake? my questions are : what would you replace after this failure , or what would you do to resolve this issue . Im thinking of building a crank support or are there any available for the war hawk block . my belt was a gilmer set up . a picture of set up below.
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Crank breakage is very rare in these engines, I've never seen it happen myself. Are you sure that croc in your avatar didn't bite a chunk out of it? We've used a lot of ProCharger F-1A through F-1R systems and have never had a problem with crankshafts. Bob
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Originally Posted by EPP Automotive Performance
Crank breakage is very rare in these engines, I've never seen it happen myself. We've used a lot of ProCharger F-1A through F-1R systems and have never had a problem with crankshafts. Bob
Even with cogs Bob? I am thinking that's where the additional stress is coming from.
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Can you post a pic of the crank? Maybe a front bering went caused some heat and it just gave? Im no expert tho.
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Front bearing has more wear on outer face closest to pulley,but has not spun. I still had full oil pressure,very luky not on full song when it let go felt a vibration that initially I thought it was the auto trans but on futher observation I noticed a slight oil leak from the front seal ,so out came the engine.
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So did it walk and push the seal out? Forgive me Im just trying to learn summin here. Or did the stall push it?
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no it did not walk , the seal leaked due to the extra play at the snout
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A cog drive is going to do that, but tensioning the hell a ribbed pulley won't? I seriously doubt it's tortional load being applied by the blower if it broke BEHIND the #1 cap (between the journal and counterweight I assume is where you're speaking) unless it was a manufacturing defect from the start. I'd REALLY like to see a macro of the break.
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Originally Posted by EPP Automotive Performance
Crank breakage is very rare in these engines, I've never seen it happen myself. Are you sure that croc in your avatar didn't bite a chunk out of it? We've used a lot of ProCharger F-1A through F-1R systems and have never had a problem with crankshafts. Bob
bob , being a quality crank from callies i did not think it would crack , but ive read on this forum that they are common to break at the same posi where mine broke.
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which Callies crank was it?
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post pics
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
which Callies crank was it?
it was the callies dragon slayer 4 inch
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Originally Posted by daniel6718
post pics
pics of damage
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So what do you think caused this? Did you try to change anything to prevent it from possibly happening again?
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there is a guy in denver who can fix stuff like that. guy is almost mythical but the most reliable sources i know swear buy him. he fixed a lunati crank i bent for half of new.
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What procharger u running ?
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the cause of the brakage is obviously at a weaker spot which is common to occur i hear but knowing why? is another issue . My thoughts would be in testing the metal propertys firstly. But the proper testing is quite expensive like 10000-15000 basic testing can be done for 500 but the real diagnosis of why it broke with proper testing is the later.
Callies is producing me a crank that will be stronger in this area so time will tell.If there is enough room up front i plan on constructing a custom crank support, which will also give me more safety, unless there is one out there that fits the warhawk block let me know it will save me heaps of time. the supercharger that i am using is the vortec ysi .
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This would be a good time to put a crank in with a BBC snout too, so that you have the additional strength there.
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the snout never broke off .
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i have never seen a forged steel crank break, there had to be a defect somewhere


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