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Old 07-02-2013, 12:19 PM
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How many guys have ran turbo set up's on alky, and I don't mean meth injection.. I mean straight 100% Methanol as a fuel..
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i do, and ill never run anything else again, except maybe some nitromethane mixed into the methanol.
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Originally Posted by 71 chevy
i do, and ill never run anything else again, except maybe some nitromethane mixed into the methanol.
Now you're talking, that's all I run in my BBC stuff..
How much power you make? Coil packs still? If so which ones?
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on the 6.0 , pig rich afr at 9.8:1 on a gas scale, it was burning 950lbs of fuel at 12 psi. so im estimating around 950hp, or about 530 on motor. 6.0, stock 862 heads,10.5:1 compression
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Tom Kempf run his car on straight meth.
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Originally Posted by 71 chevy
i do, and ill never run anything else again, except maybe some nitromethane mixed into the methanol.
everything should run on nitro! haha. Can you imagine how fast nitro would spool up a turbo! I ran some r/c nitro mix in my 120cc thumpstar pit bike, and I swear it picked up 10mph.

I am going to need some help tuning mine! I am still planning on stock truck coils, msd6012, ms1 with cheap bosch 160lbers. contemplating running 16 volt trigger to the coils.

I have never had any experience with methanol, but I am committed to running it now beings how I have a filled block and filled heads, and no I/C
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See car in sig.

We went 204 on truck coils with M1 running all the way down to 3.0:1 AFR. We are having trouble going faster then 204 on the truck coils and now switching to a mag44.
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What about running lube in the alcohol with electronic injectors? Will it gum them up?

I was planning on draining the tank at the end of the day, filling it up with gasoline (possibly 2 stroke mix) and running it through the engine to flush the alcohol through.
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Originally Posted by 71 chevy
i do, and ill never run anything else again, except maybe some nitromethane mixed into the methanol.
i think that M5 comes with the nitromethane
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Originally Posted by elkydragger
everything should run on nitro! haha. Can you imagine how fast nitro would spool up a turbo! I ran some r/c nitro mix in my 120cc thumpstar pit bike, and I swear it picked up 10mph.

I am going to need some help tuning mine! I am still planning on stock truck coils, msd6012, ms1 with cheap bosch 160lbers. contemplating running 16 volt trigger to the coils.

I have never had any experience with methanol, but I am committed to running it now beings how I have a filled block and filled heads, and no I/C
agreed. spool would be insanely fast on a mix of nitro and methanol

tuning mine was easy with the holley efi. i found an ls tune and doubled EVERYTHING (cranking fuel, enrichment, main table) then let the software try to hit my afr targets. i made it very rich because methanol can be pig rich and still burn.

i think certain versions of megasquirt also have autotune. i would look into one of those if you plan to go that route.

i would also recommend a belt drive pump if you are going methanol. the enderle 110 that i use is cheap to rebuild, and flows about 12gpm(6 times more flow than an a1000), flow is constant as you raise fuel pressure, vs electrics that flow less as pressure is raised. and can be picked up used for under $300

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Originally Posted by I8UR4RD
i think that M5 comes with the nitromethane
i heard its about 7% nitro parafins. it definitely picks up over regular methanol from what ive heard. i would prefer to mix mine though. that way you can make it weaker or stronger to taste. not saying i would ever run nitro
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Uhhhh.....do you have something in the mix? I do.
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M5 saw pretty decent gains in our blown alcohol cars. But the best gains were seen above 15% true nitro mix.. Anything under 15% just got you a little nitro smell, and a lil extra pop out of the header..
We will be coming out with a methanol turbo car soon.. Hope to debut it by Bowling Green if all goes well.. If not it will be in Indy..

Wont fit any class, but we will bring it anyways.
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Originally Posted by 71 chevy
agreed. spool would be insanely fast on a mix of nitro and methanol

tuning mine was easy with the holley efi. i found an ls tune and doubled EVERYTHING (cranking fuel, enrichment, main table) then let the software try to hit my afr targets. i made it very rich because methanol can be pig rich and still burn.

i think certain versions of megasquirt also have autotune. i would look into one of those if you plan to go that route.

i would also recommend a belt drive pump if you are going methanol. the enderle 110 that i use is cheap to rebuild, and flows about 12gpm(6 times more flow than an a1000), flow is constant as you raise fuel pressure, vs electrics that flow less as pressure is raised. and can be picked up used for under $300
What injectors are you using? I was thinking about the holley efi setup and wasn't sure how it would work with my injectors (MRE 500lb) not having any base tune to use or start with.


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M5 saw pretty decent gains in our blown alcohol cars. But the best gains were seen above 15% true nitro mix.. Anything under 15% just got you a little nitro smell, and a lil extra pop out of the header..
We will be coming out with a methanol turbo car soon.. Hope to debut it by Bowling Green if all goes well.. If not it will be in Indy..

Wont fit any class, but we will bring it anyways.
I'm in the same boat as you. Build in my sig. Good luck and post up how it does.
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Originally Posted by BMF_Racing
What injectors are you using? I was thinking about the holley efi setup and wasn't sure how it would work with my injectors (MRE 500lb) not having any base tune to use or start with.



im using 160 lbs injectors. the holley adjusts the base table for you based on the injector size. so you could take an ls2 tune, double everything, set your injectors to 500lbs and it would be close.

how much power are you trying to make? my 160lbs at 900hp are at 66% or so duty cycle at a base 63 psi. i can bump these to 90 psi base and they would effectively be 320 lb injectors(which is exactly what the 500lb injectors are= they flow 500lbs at 90 psi.)

i think 160s should be able to support over well 1500hp on methanol at high pressure.
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Originally Posted by StrokerTA
M5 saw pretty decent gains in our blown alcohol cars. But the best gains were seen above 15% true nitro mix.. Anything under 15% just got you a little nitro smell, and a lil extra pop out of the header..
We will be coming out with a methanol turbo car soon.. Hope to debut it by Bowling Green if all goes well.. If not it will be in Indy..

Wont fit any class, but we will bring it anyways.
how much richer than regular m1 with 15% nitro?
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We added timing, and took probably 20#'s out of the main.. I think when we went our fastest we actually turned off one lean out..
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Originally Posted by BMF_Racing
I'm in the same boat as you. Build in my sig. Good luck and post up how it does.
We will for sure.. What we are doing is taking apart the quickest and fastest stock cube nitrous ls1, changing cam's, fabbin the turbo stuff, and letting it rip..
347 cubes, WORK Turbo 88, methanol, lightweight...
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Originally Posted by 71 chevy
agreed. spool would be insanely fast on a mix of nitro and methanol

tuning mine was easy with the holley efi. i found an ls tune and doubled EVERYTHING (cranking fuel, enrichment, main table) then let the software try to hit my afr targets. i made it very rich because methanol can be pig rich and still burn.

i think certain versions of megasquirt also have autotune. i would look into one of those if you plan to go that route.

i would also recommend a belt drive pump if you are going methanol. the enderle 110 that i use is cheap to rebuild, and flows about 12gpm(6 times more flow than an a1000), flow is constant as you raise fuel pressure, vs electrics that flow less as pressure is raised. and can be picked up used for under $300
What regulator do you use with that pump? Do you just have the pump pullied to turn 1/2 the crank speed, and then use a boost referenced regulator to raise fuel pressure with boost? Also what does your timing map look like?
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this is interesting indeed. would love to see some pix of this. what fuel cell/lines would yall have to be running to support that much?!


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