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Old 09-22-2016, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dburt86
Possible boost leak? Turbo overspinning to come up to the 18psi, late spool, hot iat's?

But it doesnt seem that far off. Maybe 5-7mph?
This did come across my mind. What's the best method to check for leaks? Just test the charge piping, or the whole system from the compressor on?
Old 09-22-2016, 12:57 PM
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Might be time for a new IC.

Pressurize the whole system with shop air. Listen and spray it down with soapy water. BOV is a good place to start looking for leaks. Pin holes won't make a night/day difference.

Like so, but with a manly turbo...

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18psi with 11-12* timing on 110 octane is your main issue.

Bring the timing up to 16-18* where it should be and I guarantee it picks up big time.

I also wouldn't be pulling any timing on 110 octane as IAT rises at your current IAT's.

Give it 1-2* at a time and report back.

I used to run 21-22* timing on C16 with a billet 76R@29psi. IAT's were 170-190*. I was running 9 heat range plugs as well.
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Originally Posted by Martin Smallwood
18psi with 11-12* timing on 110 octane is your main issue.

Bring the timing up to 16-18* where it should be and I guarantee it picks up big time.

I also wouldn't be pulling any timing on 110 octane as IAT rises at your current IAT's.

Give it 1-2* at a time and report back.

I used to run 21-22* timing on C16 with a billet 76R@29psi. IAT's were 170-190*. I was running 9 heat range plugs as well.
Thanks for the advice. Another thing that was just brought up to me is that my ECU could have been doing MAT timing retard and pulling a ton out up top. Going to look at the tune when I get home.
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I always say it and it never is the case, but some time it will help someone! I once had the exact same scenario, ran great, but a little slow....only running on 7 cylinders! Still ran super smooth.

You might try a little more timing since you are using good gas and see what the difference is, maybe your timing is off or something.
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Doesn't look like I had any MAT retard going on. My dad posted a video of this pass but I can't get the link to work.
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Here are the turbo and IAT placements

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Small update,

Went back to the track a couple weeks ago. Didn't change much other than having cooler air and a hair more timing. Managed to make some decent progress.

Best 60': 1.51
Best 1/8: 6.51 @ 112
Best 1/4: 10.10 @ 139

Not all of these were on the same pass. Got loose a couple times and hit boost cut on another pass. I was still leaving really soft, haven't left on more than 2psi. I can footbrake 7-8psi pretty easy on the 2 step, just have to see it it'll stick on the track.

Found a few small areas for improvement, going back to the track tomorrow. On the 139mph pass the car made about 5kpa more boost and was jumping back and forth between 9* and 14* the whole time in 3rd gear. If the car hooks decent I'm hoping to see the 9.99 @ 140.
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Nice progress!!

I dunno if this is obvious but a 5kpa difference shouldnt be pulling 5 degrees. Maybe smooth out the mapping up there?
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Originally Posted by dburt86
Nice progress!!

I dunno if this is obvious but a 5kpa difference shouldnt be pulling 5 degrees. Maybe smooth out the mapping up there?

Yeah the table just dropped off in that area, I fixed it. I also put in new wastegate springs, makes about 15psi with the controller off and spools noticeably quicker. The ones I had were way soft before.
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You'll get there.
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Originally Posted by 3 window
On the log it looks you're running 13 psi, not 18, correct? What's the timing a timing ramp look like as you made the run?
The limited info available looks to me like you are running a tune that would be OK on pump fuel while running race fuel. Nobody likes to blow a motor, but you have to push a little harder to get better results.
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Work on getting it off the line & power in asap. 112mph is easily good for 6.2-30's or better 1/8th.
139 should be in the 9.50-80's. Also a slippery track will drive you crazy & make you
second guess everything.
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Made a few passes yesterday. 3 of them were total garbage, couldn't get the car to hook at all. I let it sit and cool for a while before making another pass. Did a massive burnout. Managed to get a 10.04, with a 1.62 60'. Went to make another pass after that, car hooked up pretty well and the pass felt great but a leaf or something tripped the beams shortly after the 330' so my time slip was all messed up.

Looking at the log on my final pass, I revved to 6642prm in high gear so converter slip that would still have been 140+.

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She comes out soft, but gets it on from there! You're chipping away at it!
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I can build boost on the foot brake but it just did not want to hook at all. The rear suspension is all stock other than control arms, even still has a totally stock 28 spline rear end. Trans brake and some suspension work are certainly on winter to-do list.
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Yeah a dead stock Fox suspension is lacking. You're a TF member. Look up Bob Myers and send him a PM. He has one of the best working Fox chassis' I've seen and I'm sure he could help spend your money wisely, lol. My Zephyr seems to top out about 1.55-57 60ft times before I run into issues. So it seems does yours.
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Originally Posted by Bad Apache
Yeah a dead stock Fox suspension is lacking. You're a TF member. Look up Bob Myers and send him a PM. He has one of the best working Fox chassis' I've seen and I'm sure he could help spend your money wisely, lol. My Zephyr seems to top out about 1.55-57 60ft times before I run into issues. So it seems does yours.
Not a bad idea. I saw he posted the other day about doing a bunch of 1.40-1.41 60s.



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