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11-12-2009, 03:45 PM
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Those who like helping with cams come on in So I finally got my bolt ons finished as well as a stall and just finished paying off my car. So I figured its time to drop a cam in there and call it quits on modding the car.
First I'd like to start of by saying I have read all the stickies and I know all about cams. I dont want this to be a cam vs. cam thread because we all know where those usually go. I'm starting this thread primarily to hear people inputs on their cams and how they like them.
Here is what I'm looking for:
I want a cam with LOTS of torque under the curve. I'm not going to spin the motor anymore than stock and I'm not trying to get a max effort build. I just want a good performance increase without losing driveability and practicality. I don't ever plan on getting heads (if i ever do it will probably be ported 243 or something like that), nor do I plan on getting a fast intake (unless one comes up really cheap in the classifieds). I have all the supporting mods already installed (see fquick page in sig).
I was almost dead set on a 224/224 on a 112 lsa, but decided to make a thread to see what you guys think, or hopefully have some input on what would be a good cam to go with. Im in the predicament where i dont want to go to big and wish i didnt, and the opposite, gone small and wished that i had gone bigger. But really what i want is lots of torque everywhere without having to spin the motor anymore than stock.
Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
First I'd like to start of by saying I have read all the stickies and I know all about cams. I dont want this to be a cam vs. cam thread because we all know where those usually go. I'm starting this thread primarily to hear people inputs on their cams and how they like them.
Here is what I'm looking for:
I want a cam with LOTS of torque under the curve. I'm not going to spin the motor anymore than stock and I'm not trying to get a max effort build. I just want a good performance increase without losing driveability and practicality. I don't ever plan on getting heads (if i ever do it will probably be ported 243 or something like that), nor do I plan on getting a fast intake (unless one comes up really cheap in the classifieds). I have all the supporting mods already installed (see fquick page in sig).
I was almost dead set on a 224/224 on a 112 lsa, but decided to make a thread to see what you guys think, or hopefully have some input on what would be a good cam to go with. Im in the predicament where i dont want to go to big and wish i didnt, and the opposite, gone small and wished that i had gone bigger. But really what i want is lots of torque everywhere without having to spin the motor anymore than stock.
Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
11-12-2009, 05:14 PM
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Tr224 is a dead giveaway. It will pull for days with that converter. It has low end and top end, the best of both, although nowhere near a max effort. You rememeber seeing my vids of that converter/cam combo right?
11-12-2009, 07:53 PM
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The reason its such a good combo is bc about where the converter flashes to is about the perfect spot for the cam to start making great power/torque. I believe though you could vary some and it would still be a good combo. Like a tr-220 cam with that converter or a 3600 converter with a tr-224. Specifically, a tr-228 is gonna make about 10 more hp up top over a 224 but the power will come on a little later, maybe a couple hundred rpms. So, the bigger the cam you choose, the converter flashes but you arent in the cams pull range so its kinda like a dead spot. With an auto, its so important to match cam/converter bc they work so closely together. Small cam/small converter, medium cam/medium converter and so on. My TR-224 is on a 114. It has a nice lope even with the idle bumped up a tad, but, its not quite as much lope as a fairly equal 112 cam my buddy has. You will hear a 114 cam lope, its just slightly tamer then a 112 IMO.
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11-15-2009, 09:40 AM
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TR230 reverse split!! I had one on my other car with full bolt-ons and I loved it! I had a 3600 stall at first and then bumped up to a 4400 stall and it ran awesome with both.
11-15-2009, 10:26 AM
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Twitch, what is your stock shift points? because if it is 6000 rpm, then none of the above cams mentionned would fit your criteria.
Why, because assuming you have all basic bolt ons incl (LS6 intake), you would be shortshifting all of them.
See to shift at 6000 you should peak at least 300 before that to benefit most from your powerband.
And what converter do you have? str?
Why, because assuming you have all basic bolt ons incl (LS6 intake), you would be shortshifting all of them.
See to shift at 6000 you should peak at least 300 before that to benefit most from your powerband.
And what converter do you have? str?
11-15-2009, 10:41 AM
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The converter is one I ran for about 1 1/2 years. Its a 9 inch Edge Racing 3200 with a 2.3 str. Its the converter that was in my car during the above dyno run^^^. I had it mated to a tr224 114 and they were an awesome street combo. My shift points were 6200 with it and it wasnt out of steam by then. Also, I recently installed a Comp 222/222 112 +4 for a buddy and that SOB pulls great too. Stockish torque and driveability and pulls to redline. M6 btw.
Thanks, I wish the camera was better quality for sound, standing next to cars going WOT on a dyno is fun
Thanks, I wish the camera was better quality for sound, standing next to cars going WOT on a dyno is fun
11-15-2009, 10:52 AM
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Having been there and done this with 3 different cams in a 346/347 on the streets (not an engine dyno). Not sure I have ever seen someone driving an engine dyno down the streets 
I can help you from exerience.
From what you have said you don't want to go any bigger than a 224. The TR224 112 lsa if you were drag racing you would shift it at 6500 to keep the rpms in the maximum hp range. It doesn't mean on the streets you need to shift at that high of an rpm. It drop off after 6200 rpms. This would be the most cam you should go with and to be 100% honest is the most copied street cam on the planet in an LS1. Thunder Racing has proprietary lobes so you cant just copy the cam. Many have tried and will even tell you their cam is better at a 228 duration. They're full of it. For what you want the TR224 112 LSA would be a good choice or a 222/226.
I can help you from exerience. From what you have said you don't want to go any bigger than a 224. The TR224 112 lsa if you were drag racing you would shift it at 6500 to keep the rpms in the maximum hp range. It doesn't mean on the streets you need to shift at that high of an rpm. It drop off after 6200 rpms. This would be the most cam you should go with and to be 100% honest is the most copied street cam on the planet in an LS1. Thunder Racing has proprietary lobes so you cant just copy the cam. Many have tried and will even tell you their cam is better at a 228 duration. They're full of it. For what you want the TR224 112 LSA would be a good choice or a 222/226.
11-15-2009, 11:07 AM
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He needs to answer the shift points question. If it is 6000 rpm then he needs a cam with earlier IVC tan the TR224 112LSA and with a bit more overlap.
I would be more inclined for a 224/224 .581/.581 110+4 LSA (4* overlap, 38 IVC)
Or a 220/226 .605/.600 110+2 LSA (3* overlap, 38 IVC) < my choice
I would be more inclined for a 224/224 .581/.581 110+4 LSA (4* overlap, 38 IVC)
Or a 220/226 .605/.600 110+2 LSA (3* overlap, 38 IVC) < my choice
11-15-2009, 12:39 PM
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i bought the converter from 01redss so whatever he said thats what it is hah. and yes im shifting at 6k (which is think is stock). i dont mind a few hundred more rpm, its just that i wont want to strain the motor and have to worry about upgrading the bolts and all that just for a few more hp. i guess with what you say (220/226) if its okay to spin the motor a few hundred more rpm then thats fine with me, but i dont want to have to upgrade the block at all other then the normal cam upgrades
mods are ls6 intake, pp tb, lts, catted y, cutout, magnaflow,9" 3200 edge, with a 2.3str
mods are ls6 intake, pp tb, lts, catted y, cutout, magnaflow,9" 3200 edge, with a 2.3str
11-15-2009, 01:29 PM
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Well twitch, you have to make up your mind on shifts because the valve events will be affected.
TR224 112 has 40 IVC, so it will peak at around 6000 rpm and shifts will be 63>6500 rpms; if that is allright with you then by all means TR224, (although I would still go with a tad more overlap for more power).
TR224 112 has 40 IVC, so it will peak at around 6000 rpm and shifts will be 63>6500 rpms; if that is allright with you then by all means TR224, (although I would still go with a tad more overlap for more power).
11-15-2009, 01:37 PM
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He needs to answer the shift points question. If it is 6000 rpm then he needs a cam with earlier IVC tan the TR224 112LSA and with a bit more overlap.
I would be more inclined for a 224/224 .581/.581 110+4 LSA (4* overlap, 38 IVC)
Or a 220/226 .605/.600 110+2 LSA (3* overlap, 38 IVC) < my choice
I would be more inclined for a 224/224 .581/.581 110+4 LSA (4* overlap, 38 IVC)
Or a 220/226 .605/.600 110+2 LSA (3* overlap, 38 IVC) < my choice
11-15-2009, 01:43 PM
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Well twitch, you have to make up your mind on shifts because the valve events will be affected.
TR224 112 has 40 IVC, so it will peak at around 6000 rpm and shifts will be 63>6500 rpms; if that is allright with you then by all means TR224, (although I would still go with a tad more overlap for more power).
TR224 112 has 40 IVC, so it will peak at around 6000 rpm and shifts will be 63>6500 rpms; if that is allright with you then by all means TR224, (although I would still go with a tad more overlap for more power).
11-15-2009, 01:50 PM
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Heard geat things on the 224 cam... Most everyone running that cam loved it.. I have a 6.0L in my truck and I run a TSP228R cam ona 112.. I love this cam alot.. How ever it might bee too big for what you are looking for... Good luck!
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C...-SS_715871.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C...-SS_715871.htm