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WS6 air box vs. LS1 lid?

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Old 06-16-2010, 12:51 PM
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Default WS6 air box vs. LS1 lid?

I know this was brought up before but I'm looking to see if anyone has any proof as to whether it's a worth while mod or a waste. I'm concerned that with my LE2 setup and the 150 shot that the motor is being starved for air due to the passages in the hood. Has anyone done a dyno pull with their stock WS6 air box/assembly with the hood closed vs. a LS1 lid setup?

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There was a post a long time ago with someone dynoing with hood open and closed.

Better off going to the track on this one...Ws6 style and the Lid are about equal both are a straight, short looks like you have a Ws6 hood so you can use either..
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If you have the WS6 or another nostril hood with the airbox behind it you already have the best air intake setup for the LT1. The only ones that really benefit from the LS1 lid conversion would be a Camaro.
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I have a WS6 airbox with K&N filter for sale if you need one.

I think the WS6 LT1 is better than a lid, the LT1 style is similar to a LS lid flipped upside down if you think about it. The LS setup has to get air from a small opening in the front of the box, The LT1 setup gets it from the hole filter. If you decide to go Lt1 Ws6 setup make sure you seal it to the hood with foam to get the full benefit.


The passages in the hood are not a restriction, Ed Wright went 9.90 all motor with a stock WS6 setup, I went 10.50's.
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Anyone ever cut out the rain plates out on the hood? Would that be worthwhile? Probably not worth cutting up an oem hood..
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Originally Posted by big_bird_93
Anyone ever cut out the rain plates out on the hood? Would that be worthwhile? Probably not worth cutting up an oem hood..
I cut them out of the hood in my sig, if you look in there with the rain plates cut out, the openings in the hood line up with the front edge of the box. Would be hard for rain to get in there even with the plates cut out.

BUT I didnt drive my car in the rain unless I got caught in the rain. I made some little block offs for the hood for if it was REALLY pouring.
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Originally Posted by big_bird_93
Anyone ever cut out the rain plates out on the hood? Would that be worthwhile? Probably not worth cutting up an oem hood..
I did a couple months ago. At first I was hesitant but I then I figured I don't give a damn whether my car is worth $1 or a $100k I'm still not getting rid of it. I did a clean job with it so you wouldn't even know unless you popped the hood and got under there purposefully and looked. I got caught in light rain twice and no water got near my filter.

OP, I was wondering the same about 6 months ago. I ended up cutting the baffles out of my hood to get a straight shot of air. Now, when I look through the nostrils I can physically see that the factory ram air box is completely sealed to the hood all the way around, can't get much better than that.
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Not a worthwhile mod. If you went from a CAI to a lid setup that would be worth it but the WS6 airbox already flows well enough
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FWIW, I found someone who has a stash of WS6 (LS1) lower airboxes brand new in the gm cartons....pm for info. But be advised they ain't cheap as their discontinued and when these are gone, its the junk yard.
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If you're slick, you can make your own removable rain baffles to remove at the track.
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I have the 98 Z28 lower air box (lower radiator brace) with the air filter cage for sale in parts classifieds. If I end up keeping my new build Im going to a belly pan under my carb and duct it to my WS6 hood. Im sorry to make this a thread hijack but Im selling it dirt cheap. $40 plus shipping.

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There are a few you have tested this theory already and have said the ws6 is better than the lid. Paul just keep your setup for sure
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those are some impressive times above with the factory intake set ups!!.. what kind of power number are you making roughly?..
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Thanks for info everyone.

I'm sure the rain plates could be removed but I just can't grasp the idea of hacking up my hood since I still have every bolt/ part I've taken off my car.

Stealth- did you notice an improvement in times at the track since you cut the baffles out?
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When i added my SLP lid i picked up.2 at the track and experienced a definate increase in sudden accel.
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Originally Posted by RamAir95TA
If you're slick, you can make your own removable rain baffles to remove at the track.
Have you done it or seen pics? That would be interesting to see. The car doesnt get daily driven and it will never be completely stock again so as long as it looks clean i dont mind cutting a little.
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Originally Posted by Formula WS6
Thanks for info everyone.

I'm sure the rain plates could be removed but I just can't grasp the idea of hacking up my hood since I still have every bolt/ part I've taken off my car.

Stealth- did you notice an improvement in times at the track since you cut the baffles out?
Before cutting baffles: 11.71 at 115mph (0 DA)
After cutting baffles: 11.62 at 116mph (+1300 DA) ~11.50 at 117 corrected to 0 DA.

I previously had my TB opening maybe 95% so I fixed that at the same time of cutting out the baffles. With that said I can't attribute all the gains to the hood but I am confident that it definitely helped.

I have all my stock stuff too, I just can't part with any of it. It was hard to convince myself to do it but the baffles just appeared to be such a restriction so I went for it. I don't regret my decision but I would definitely think about it for a while until you come up with a solid decision.
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I cut my baffles out a few years back and didn't notice any difference in track times. I saw more change by pulling the air filter for a couple runs.
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I'm in the same boat as you were,Thanks Stealth.


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I cut my baffles out a few years back and didn't notice any difference in track times. I saw more change by pulling the air filter for a couple runs.
I've done that before and didn't see much if any of a change.
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The only way a LS1 lid is better than a LT1ws6 set up is if you use a Chris Ram Air or like system which requires you to cut the rad support.
I have tested with and without the filter many times and Ive gained about 1mph some days but lost as much as 10mph on crazy hot days such as the LTXshootout lasat year, some days it makes no difference at all. Something you just need to try when you get to the track then decide what to do for the rest of the day.


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