LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

what does 4th gear top out?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-25-2010, 11:19 PM
  #1  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
 
fire-chickens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 183
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default what does 4th gear top out?

at in a 1996 firebird formula m6 with stock 3.42 gears what MPH would you have to shift from 4th gear into 5th? the car has long tubes loudmouth 1 cat back and an intake. stock engine internals.
Old 08-25-2010, 11:34 PM
  #2  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (15)
 
MasterTomos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Northeast Iowa
Posts: 3,508
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Whenever it redlines? Go out and find out on a straight open backroad

My car goes into overdrive around 135mph I wanna say? thats with A4 3.23 gears...

Im sure someone will chime in, as it's all mathematical
Old 08-25-2010, 11:54 PM
  #3  
TECH Enthusiast
 
brucer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 529
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

you hit the rev limiter at 5800rpm unless you've had it tuned..
Old 08-26-2010, 12:42 AM
  #4  
On The Tree
Thread Starter
 
fire-chickens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 183
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

i know but i was wondering what speed i would be running at just as i shift into 5th. i topped 4th gear out the other day but didn't have enough ***** to look away from the road at those speeds, but i do think i noticed it was at 130mph.
Old 08-26-2010, 12:55 AM
  #5  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (4)
 
Low N Slow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Stanwood, WA
Posts: 546
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

5800 RPMs in mine is 126MPH and 6500 is 143MPH in fourth gear according to datamaster
Old 08-26-2010, 07:48 AM
  #6  
TECH Apprentice
 
noice's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NW AR
Posts: 323
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by fire-chickens
i know but i was wondering what speed i would be running at just as i shift into 5th. i topped 4th gear out the other day but didn't have enough ***** to look away from the road at those speeds, but i do think i noticed it was at 130mph.
I have different gearing than you, but all of my top speeds have been done in 4th. I had the same problem as you, every time I looked down too much of the road was going by so I stopped looking at the speedometer,
Old 08-26-2010, 07:51 AM
  #7  
12 Second Club
iTrader: (13)
 
*02WS6TURK*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Oregon Grown
Posts: 1,627
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Sounds to me like it's time for some 4.10's FTW!!
Old 08-26-2010, 07:59 AM
  #8  
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
Jcl_96TA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Akron PA
Posts: 225
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I'm not sure how fast they go stock, but both of my 96s would bury the spedo. They are both a4 cars probably like 160ish. My friends M6 would do right around 130 in 4th though for the op.
Old 08-26-2010, 11:27 AM
  #9  
Village Troll
iTrader: (2)
 
SS RRR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Jackstandican
Posts: 11,060
Received 541 Likes on 391 Posts
LS1Tech 20 Year Member
Default

www.f-body.org/gears
Old 08-26-2010, 01:29 PM
  #10  
Teching In
iTrader: (4)
 
fupa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Greensboro, NC
Posts: 42
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

exhaust will have no affect on what speed you will be in a given gear, but with that being said.... Ive have seen my car at about 40-43 in first, 65ish in second, 90's in thirsd, 125 in fourth, and cut out at 155 at 5500rpm in 5th. this was a bone stock 95 M6 with 3.42's
Old 08-26-2010, 01:37 PM
  #11  
8 Second Club
iTrader: (18)
 
Slow94Formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rochester, MN
Posts: 872
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

Mine is stock with 3.42's and on a GPS "top speed" setting thingy it said i was doing 115 and I ran it right to 5800 on the tach. Although, my stock tach may be a bit off. My car hits the rev limiter at 6k according to the tach, but I have no idea if the car has a tune in it or not to change the rev limiter.

Last edited by Slow94Formula; 08-26-2010 at 01:45 PM.
Old 08-26-2010, 01:56 PM
  #12  
TECH Veteran
iTrader: (17)
 
Puck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,152
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Slow94Formula
Mine is stock with 3.42's and on a GPS "top speed" setting thingy it said i was doing 115 and I ran it right to 5800 on the tach. Although, my stock tach may be a bit off. My car hits the rev limiter at 6k according to the tach, but I have no idea if the car has a tune in it or not to change the rev limiter.
Tach reads high on these cars.ounds about right.s
Old 08-26-2010, 02:10 PM
  #13  
8 Second Club
iTrader: (18)
 
Slow94Formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rochester, MN
Posts: 872
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by SS RRR
According to the chart on that page my car tops out about 10-12 mph too soon. Why would that be? I'm positive that the gears are 3.42.
Old 08-26-2010, 02:15 PM
  #14  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (12)
 
chavez885's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Concord, CA
Posts: 2,382
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by Slow94Formula
According to the chart on that page my car tops out about 10-12 mph too soon. Why would that be? I'm positive that the gears are 3.42.
Unless it's a manual your car did not come stock with 3.42's. Only options for A4's were 2.73's and 3.23's (unless a 93)

That chart is pretty accurate, my 4th tops out @ 140ish with rev limit of 6300 (275/40/17's) Did it last Saturday.
Old 08-26-2010, 02:16 PM
  #15  
8 Second Club
iTrader: (18)
 
Slow94Formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rochester, MN
Posts: 872
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

My car is an M6. This thread is about an M6 topping out in 4th...
Old 08-26-2010, 02:33 PM
  #16  
9 Second Club
iTrader: (7)
 
quik95lt1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 4,464
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 10 Posts

Default

do the math.........

stock tire = 26" tall
so ur roll out is......26*3.14= 81.64"
81.64/12= 6.80 Foot Rollout

5280/6.80=776.48 Revolutions per mile of the tire

Now assuming a 5800 rpm redline....in 4th gear which is 1:1 gives you a driveshaft speed of 5800

So.....with 3.42's out back

5800/3.42=1695.91Revolutions per minute of the tire

We know the roll out is 6.8 feet as calculated above sooo.....
1695.91*6.8=11532 feet per minute
11532/5280 = 2.184 miles per minute
2.184*60= 131.04mph

so yep u were right at redline in 4th you should be crusin around 131 mph....
follow that formula and you can do the math beyond that.....

try this for math......mine will do 150mph in 3rd gear converter locked.....with 4.56's out back and a 28" tire.......whats that rpm?? (A4 3rd gear = 1:1 Ratio)
Old 08-26-2010, 02:39 PM
  #17  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (3)
 
z_speedfreak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: limbo
Posts: 2,123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by quik95lt1
do the math.........

stock tire = 26" tall
so ur roll out is......26*3.14= 81.64"
81.64/12= 6.80 Foot Rollout

5280/6.80=776.48 Revolutions per mile of the tire

Now assuming a 5800 rpm redline....in 4th gear which is 1:1 gives you a driveshaft speed of 5800

So.....with 3.42's out back

5800/3.42=1695.91Revolutions per minute of the tire

We know the roll out is 6.8 feet as calculated above sooo.....
1695.91*6.8=11532 feet per minute
11532/5280 = 2.184 miles per minute
2.184*60= 131.04mph

so yep u were right at redline in 4th you should be crusin around 131 mph....
follow that formula and you can do the math beyond that.....

try this for math......mine will do 150mph in 3rd gear converter locked.....with 4.56's out back and a 28" tire.......whats that rpm?? (A4 3rd gear = 1:1 Ratio)
math makes my head spin!
lol I'm lazy> http://www.wallaceracing.com/calcmph.php
Old 08-26-2010, 04:22 PM
  #18  
Teching In
iTrader: (4)
 
fupa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Greensboro, NC
Posts: 42
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Slow94Formula
According to the chart on that page my car tops out about 10-12 mph too soon. Why would that be? I'm positive that the gears are 3.42.

You say your sure about the gears, but not the tune.... Maybe it had a tune before for differnt gears but they are not in them anymore.

And what size tire are you running?
Old 08-27-2010, 12:04 AM
  #19  
8 Second Club
iTrader: (18)
 
Slow94Formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rochester, MN
Posts: 872
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by fupa
You say your sure about the gears, but not the tune.... Maybe it had a tune before for differnt gears but they are not in them anymore.

And what size tire are you running?
Good point, except the fact that when I let off @5800 rpms the gps said that the top speed that it had gone was 115, and the car also said that I was doing about 113-114... so, the speedometer may be off, but it isn't by enough that it would imply that I had a tune for different gears. The tire size is 275/40/17

Tonight I tried out 3rd gear and ran it right to 6k. The speedometer went to 91 mph.
Old 08-27-2010, 12:08 AM
  #20  
8 Second Club
iTrader: (18)
 
Slow94Formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rochester, MN
Posts: 872
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

The way the fbody.org calculator reads it it would make sense that I have 3.73's, but I have put the car on jackstands and marked the tire. Then I had a friend turn the tire around slowly (so I could count) for 1 revolution. The drive shaft turned just less than 3 and 1/2 times.

Last edited by Slow94Formula; 08-27-2010 at 12:18 AM.


Quick Reply: what does 4th gear top out?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:00 PM.