From 3600 Vig to SS4000 Gains?
03-04-2004, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bad Blu Formula
I'm sure you'll gain on your launch. And since Yanks are better than Vigis, you'll pull better all the way down the track. 
Anyone switch from there Vig3600 to the Yank4000?
03-04-2004, 01:33 PM
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I don't think you will gain very much if any E.T. The Vig's are underated a 3600 is more like 4000 -4200, but the Yank may be more efficient and get you higher mph.
And that Yank is better than Vig coment is just an oppinion. I really don't think you can say one is better than the other. But what do I know I have a TCI that cuts low 1.5 60's
And that Yank is better than Vig coment is just an oppinion. I really don't think you can say one is better than the other. But what do I know I have a TCI that cuts low 1.5 60's
03-04-2004, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bad Blu Formula
I'm sure you'll gain on your launch. And since Yanks are better than Vigis, you'll pull better all the way down the track.
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03-05-2004, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Ragtop 99
The Vig is underrated; I wouldn't count on much. If you switch go to a YTP 4400.
03-05-2004, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ragtop 99
The Vig is underrated; I wouldn't count on much. If you switch go to a YTP 4400.
I ran 13.2@104 1.99 60ft stock on stock tires
with E/T streets and headers/y-pipe/Borla/GMAS/lid/MSDwires/NGK TR6's/and the Vig3600 i ran a best of 12.7@107 1.72 60ft. (with a Diablo Predator tuner)
On the bottle i pull 1.5 60fts and a best of 11.4@118. But this vertor does not like a 150RWHP shot, (5200 stall rpm)and i want to get 1.5's on motor. Set the bottle to 100 RWHP and not use it all the time. 11's on motor w/ stock internals is what i want,and the spray for high 10's w/ traction.
I dead hook at the track (no tire spin) and have used this vertor for over 1 year. Trans is coming out to be built up and i would like to put in a convertor that will help my daily driver get to the above mentioned goals.
Would the YTP 4400 do that? Sorry,when it comes to convertors i have no clue what 1 to get at this point. The SS4000 was recommended and sounds good. Is there a better choice??? $1000 is a lot to spend for the wrong convertor.
The PYE3400 is supposed to be a great poweradder vertor,but will it get close to n/a stock internals running 11's? Main focus is N/A times,i just want to keep the bottle for a little more fun(but not the main focus).
Dave
03-06-2004, 02:28 PM
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I know exactly where you are coming from.
My first suggestion would be to call yank. Sometimes hard to get ahold of but very effective once you do.
Next I would suggest the 3600 instead of the 3400. This would be better for what you are trying to accomplish. It will still get you 1.7 60 ft times with a good tire and will be fine to spray a 150 shot on. This is what Yank suggested to me about 3 months ago.
I believe that Yank and VIg are very close in comparision. I perfer Yank. The old saying you get what you pay for can be looked at when trying to see who is better. Both companies get the best price on parts possible because they are both big companies. Yanks verters are more expensive and normally produce a little better results. BOTH ARE AT THE TOP OF THE GAME. IMO if you were to take one of each that both stalled the same there would be small differences.
I also feel a 4000+ stall might be a little high for you because you are a blot on car. You aren't making peak power in the mid to upper 6000 RPM range and there fore dont need a converter that stall that high. I would do the 3600 from Yank be very happy on motor and even happier on juice.
On a side note, sell that predator thing and get LS1 edit dyno tuned on your car.
This will be worth the 500 dollars I promise. (Not dissing what you have, just stating what would be better)
If you hook on the 150 in good weather expect 10's.
My first suggestion would be to call yank. Sometimes hard to get ahold of but very effective once you do.
Next I would suggest the 3600 instead of the 3400. This would be better for what you are trying to accomplish. It will still get you 1.7 60 ft times with a good tire and will be fine to spray a 150 shot on. This is what Yank suggested to me about 3 months ago.
I believe that Yank and VIg are very close in comparision. I perfer Yank. The old saying you get what you pay for can be looked at when trying to see who is better. Both companies get the best price on parts possible because they are both big companies. Yanks verters are more expensive and normally produce a little better results. BOTH ARE AT THE TOP OF THE GAME. IMO if you were to take one of each that both stalled the same there would be small differences.
I also feel a 4000+ stall might be a little high for you because you are a blot on car. You aren't making peak power in the mid to upper 6000 RPM range and there fore dont need a converter that stall that high. I would do the 3600 from Yank be very happy on motor and even happier on juice.
On a side note, sell that predator thing and get LS1 edit dyno tuned on your car.
This will be worth the 500 dollars I promise. (Not dissing what you have, just stating what would be better)
If you hook on the 150 in good weather expect 10's.
03-06-2004, 02:53 PM
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JZ thanks for your info. I have been trying to contact Yank for a few days now. Sent an e-mail Wednesday and tried calling the last 2 days. I left a message and phone number. I want to get a Yank convertor ,but it is proving quite hard to get ahold of them. Not changing my mind ,just getting a little discouraged at the moment.
Actually my goal of 11's all motor is leaning me towards the YTP4400-i checked on some of the stock internal 11 sec A4's on this board and see that convertor come up quite a few times. If i can get that performance out of stock internals i will not have to play the nitrous game as much.
Thanks for the info.
Dave
Actually my goal of 11's all motor is leaning me towards the YTP4400-i checked on some of the stock internal 11 sec A4's on this board and see that convertor come up quite a few times. If i can get that performance out of stock internals i will not have to play the nitrous game as much.
Thanks for the info.
Dave
03-08-2004, 01:17 PM
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I dont think you will gain anything. The vig3600 should stall around 4100 or 4200 if its working right. I would go with atleast a YTP4400 or not change at all. At best the 4000 will hit harder off the line and feel alittle less loose, but ET wise it shouldnt gain much.
03-10-2004, 08:21 PM
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Because the Vig "3600" is actually a 4300 for reasons unknown, the ETs will be about the same. I think that the SS4000 will MPH as well or better than the Vig "3600" despite giving up 300 RPM of stall speed. The biggest difference will be the drivability. The SS4000 will be a MAJOR improvement in that regard due not only to having less stall speed but also due to it's 21 blade stator.
The SS4000 is PLENTY to get you in the 11s NA internally stock. I did 11.82 without really trying with a TCI 3500 stall. Stock gears, stock weight, radial tires. And the SS4000 is an even faster converter than the TCI 3500. But, if it's absolute maximum ETs with no regard to streetability, there is no beating a TP converter.
The statement about internally stock engines not being able to benefit from a 4000+ is totally off. This one has been proven thousands of times over.
The SS4000 is PLENTY to get you in the 11s NA internally stock. I did 11.82 without really trying with a TCI 3500 stall. Stock gears, stock weight, radial tires. And the SS4000 is an even faster converter than the TCI 3500. But, if it's absolute maximum ETs with no regard to streetability, there is no beating a TP converter.
The statement about internally stock engines not being able to benefit from a 4000+ is totally off. This one has been proven thousands of times over.
03-11-2004, 05:45 PM
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After talking to Mike at Yank, it is clear that there IS something wrong with my Vig 3600. Damaged from either low fluid or hitting the rev limiter and distorting the fins and totally effecting stall speed and efficiency.
I got this vertor used and have no idea what COULD have happened to it before i got it.
I am not saying i bought a junk convertor at all.
When i run the auto x courses i've tapped the rev limiter numerous times and had slammed the rev limiter numerous times when trying to tune in the Predator shift points on spray. I very easily could be the cause for the damage to the convertor.
Anyway,i have only 60ft'ed in the mid to low 1.7 range with no tire spin on motor and that problem should be fixed with the SS4000. Mike recommended slicks instead of DR's due to the hard hitting nature of this vertor.
THe Vig3600 had a 2.1 str(when new,undamaged) and the SS4000 has a 2.46 (per Mike). And the Colonel is right on with the driveablilty side of things, at least that is the exact same thing Mike thinks too. This should be done around next Friday so i will know for sure then.
After adding a cut out/ASP pulley and getting dyno tuned i think i can get my goal. 11's stock internal n/a.
(Colonel, 11.82 would put a huge smile on my face.)
Dave
I got this vertor used and have no idea what COULD have happened to it before i got it.
I am not saying i bought a junk convertor at all.
When i run the auto x courses i've tapped the rev limiter numerous times and had slammed the rev limiter numerous times when trying to tune in the Predator shift points on spray. I very easily could be the cause for the damage to the convertor.
Anyway,i have only 60ft'ed in the mid to low 1.7 range with no tire spin on motor and that problem should be fixed with the SS4000. Mike recommended slicks instead of DR's due to the hard hitting nature of this vertor.
THe Vig3600 had a 2.1 str(when new,undamaged) and the SS4000 has a 2.46 (per Mike). And the Colonel is right on with the driveablilty side of things, at least that is the exact same thing Mike thinks too. This should be done around next Friday so i will know for sure then.
After adding a cut out/ASP pulley and getting dyno tuned i think i can get my goal. 11's stock internal n/a.
(Colonel, 11.82 would put a huge smile on my face.)
Dave
03-12-2004, 12:14 PM
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Not to argue with Mike, but I've never heard of hitting the rev limiter causing converter damage. I can't imagine what that would have to do with anything. I've probably done it about a half million times with no problems. Anyway... 
You'll love that SS4000 converter. It's capable of some very solid or even low 1.4 60 fts with a 346ci engine in the right car. I pulled consistant 1.55s but that was with 3.23 gears and carrying alot of weight.
You'll love that SS4000 converter. It's capable of some very solid or even low 1.4 60 fts with a 346ci engine in the right car. I pulled consistant 1.55s but that was with 3.23 gears and carrying alot of weight.
03-12-2004, 12:19 PM
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03-13-2004, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Colonel
Not to argue with Mike, but I've never heard of hitting the rev limiter causing converter damage. I can't imagine what that would have to do with anything. I've probably done it about a half million times with no problems. Anyway...
You'll love that SS4000 converter. It's capable of some very solid or even low 1.4 60 fts with a 346ci engine in the right car. I pulled consistant 1.55s but that was with 3.23 gears and carrying alot of weight.
You'll love that SS4000 converter. It's capable of some very solid or even low 1.4 60 fts with a 346ci engine in the right car. I pulled consistant 1.55s but that was with 3.23 gears and carrying alot of weight.
Any recommendations on launch,I plan to get new tires and see if i can grab enough track to get into the 1.5 range.
Thanks for all your info and advise ,It's greatly appreciated.
Dave