07 350Z vs a4 z28
10-21-2011, 08:22 PM
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07 350Z vs a4 z28 I'm bored so I'm going to post a very old racing story.
So one of my close friends had recently acquired a 2000 a4 z28, so naturally being a very competitive guy he wanted revenge on my 350Z after me putting a big hurting on his v6 camaro.
So as always I was game and we made a short trip down to mexico.
His camaro just had basic boltons which were a lid, smooth bellow and exhaust, while my 350Z was bone stock and had an auto transmission. Both being competitive we raced about 8-10 times. From a 20 roll our cars were about dead even until 100mph, from a 40 roll I had him by about a fender till about 100mph. So we pull over and I tell my friend to lets take the race a bit higher as he kept letting off 100-105, so we start at another 40 roll and again I have him by about a fender until 100mph but then from 100-120 he comes back and puts about a fender on me and pulling away. SO in conclusion both cars were evenly matched and both ran a mid 13 second pass.
I don't want to turn this into a giant argument so let me say that I am aware of how much faster the camaro can be with mods convertor, gears, stall, cam etc. Also going to say that 07 350Zs are a good bit faster than 03-06 ones, and that I am a current Z06 owner so I am an unbiased party.
So one of my close friends had recently acquired a 2000 a4 z28, so naturally being a very competitive guy he wanted revenge on my 350Z after me putting a big hurting on his v6 camaro.
So as always I was game and we made a short trip down to mexico.
His camaro just had basic boltons which were a lid, smooth bellow and exhaust, while my 350Z was bone stock and had an auto transmission. Both being competitive we raced about 8-10 times. From a 20 roll our cars were about dead even until 100mph, from a 40 roll I had him by about a fender till about 100mph. So we pull over and I tell my friend to lets take the race a bit higher as he kept letting off 100-105, so we start at another 40 roll and again I have him by about a fender until 100mph but then from 100-120 he comes back and puts about a fender on me and pulling away. SO in conclusion both cars were evenly matched and both ran a mid 13 second pass.I don't want to turn this into a giant argument so let me say that I am aware of how much faster the camaro can be with mods convertor, gears, stall, cam etc. Also going to say that 07 350Zs are a good bit faster than 03-06 ones, and that I am a current Z06 owner so I am an unbiased party.
10-22-2011, 05:52 AM
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bone stock 350z in 2007 had 306hp and 268 torque on a roughly 3400lb curb weight. The 2000 camaro bone stock weighs the same with more hp and a hell of a lot more torque. By just comparing the numbers, he really should have walked you hard so especially with 2 more cylinders.
10-22-2011, 10:37 AM
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i agree, felt like he would have pulled on you especially since both cars are auto. but how hard is it to drive an auto in a roll race? foot to the floor=go
10-22-2011, 11:00 AM
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Was the z28 a 2.73 or 3.23 car? I can see it making sense if it was a 2.73 car for sure. 07-08 hr z's are no slouch, and the 5 speed auto probably kept it in its powerband better.
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10-22-2011, 12:34 PM
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the 07 350Zs put down close to 270whp so the ls1 does have the power advantage, but the Z is about 300 lbs lighter not to mention the 350Z does have a tiptronic auto transmission, as I mentioned before both cars did run mid 13 second passes at the track trapping roughly the same, but I do believe I got a better 60 ft.
10-22-2011, 12:45 PM
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the 07 350Zs put down close to 270whp so the ls1 does have the power advantage, but the Z is about 300 lbs lighter not to mention the 350Z does have a tiptronic auto transmission, as I mentioned before both cars did run mid 13 second passes at the track trapping roughly the same, but I do believe I got a better 60 ft.
10-22-2011, 02:20 PM
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I can see this race happening as stated. The HR 350Zs run 13s at 105-106 just like some stock A4 LS1s, so from a roll it sounds right. I do think a dig run would be much more in favor of the LS1 here however. My wife drives an HR powered G35 sedan, just a hair heavier than the 350Z, but does have 3.73s and still only around 3400lbs.... and I absolutely train wrecked her with my current set-up from 40-100mph. I posted the vid in the other 350 thread.
OP, did he pre-select 2nd gear before running you, or did he wait for it to downshift itself? Not choosing the right gear ahead of time could easily cost him the race against such a close competitor.
OP, did he pre-select 2nd gear before running you, or did he wait for it to downshift itself? Not choosing the right gear ahead of time could easily cost him the race against such a close competitor.
10-22-2011, 04:07 PM
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I can see this race happening as stated. The HR 350Zs run 13s at 105-106 just like some stock A4 LS1s, so from a roll it sounds right. I do think a dig run would be much more in favor of the LS1 here however. My wife drives an HR powered G35 sedan, just a hair heavier than the 350Z, but does have 3.73s and still only around 3400lbs.... and I absolutely train wrecked her with my current set-up from 40-100mph. I posted the vid in the other 350 thread.
OP, did he pre-select 2nd gear before running you, or did he wait for it to downshift itself? Not choosing the right gear ahead of time could easily cost him the race against such a close competitor.
OP, did he pre-select 2nd gear before running you, or did he wait for it to downshift itself? Not choosing the right gear ahead of time could easily cost him the race against such a close competitor.
10-22-2011, 04:56 PM
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This is with her stock, getting the jump on the 2nd honk, and myself with my current mods. No idea what the G35 would run in the 1/4, but I'm guessing a 13.7-8 at 101ish. Your 350 should easily be a tenth or two quicker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE_vHzo_QeA
10-22-2011, 08:58 PM
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I still wouldn't say it should have been close. If the dude hit his Camaro in a dead spot then I could see it but if he selected the gear manually or even let it downshift on its own under 40 with 2.73s it would have ended differently.
Even when my car had the stock 2.73s in it I never had an issue with those cars lol think about it the cars weigh the same but one has almost 100ftlbs more tq and 50 more hp. Thats more than enough to jvercome a slight geating fault.but anything can happen on the st.
Even when my car had the stock 2.73s in it I never had an issue with those cars lol think about it the cars weigh the same but one has almost 100ftlbs more tq and 50 more hp. Thats more than enough to jvercome a slight geating fault.but anything can happen on the st.
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10-23-2011, 08:00 AM
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didnt i say should? that 107 trap is about what a stock m6 ls1 should run on average and from what ive seen is on the highish side for a 370z. I've seen a stock 3v mustang trap 105 which is faster than some stock ls1 cars does that mean they are normally faster?? Hell no
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Some of you need to get past this whole 350Z thing, especially the part about TQ. The 350s are geared aggressive and the HR 350s rev the hell out of that gearing. You can't just say, "oh, one has 50 less HP and 90lbs less tq, so its faster". It doesn't work that way. Its a fact that any HR 350Z is the LS1s race to lose, but can easily be in the 350s favor if the LS1 driver isn't the greatest. As far as the 370 goes, its a drivers race against a stock LS1, period. Hell, it better be for $40 grand and being 9 years newer. I've seen plenty of 370s run low 13s at 106-107.
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Some of you need to get past this whole 350Z thing, especially the part about TQ. The 350s are geared aggressive and the HR 350s rev the hell out of that gearing. You can't just say, "oh, one has 50 less HP and 90lbs less tq, so its faster". It doesn't work that way. Its a fact that any HR 350Z is the LS1s race to lose, but can easily be in the 350s favor if the LS1 driver isn't the greatest. As far as the 370 goes, its a drivers race against a stock LS1, period. Hell, it better be for $40 grand and being 9 years newer. I've seen plenty of 370s run low 13s at 106-107.
Except the 370Z starts around $30k. Good runs OP.
10-23-2011, 10:32 AM
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Some of you need to get past this whole 350Z thing, especially the part about TQ. The 350s are geared aggressive and the HR 350s rev the hell out of that gearing. You can't just say, "oh, one has 50 less HP and 90lbs less tq, so its faster". It doesn't work that way. Its a fact that any HR 350Z is the LS1s race to lose, but can easily be in the 350s favor if the LS1 driver isn't the greatest. As far as the 370 goes, its a drivers race against a stock LS1, period. Hell, it better be for $40 grand and being 9 years newer. I've seen plenty of 370s run low 13s at 106-107.
