Eastern Members - My god r these 5.0 fast...

Say watcha want but Ford has a winner
This new 5.0 mustang is badass and frankly for the $$$ cant be beat

Still I just cant own a ford...okay I'm done :)

They are fast to you cause you drive a friggin Toyota...

Wow, I just got insulted by some asshat who has 451 posts..
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Does post count matter that much? If so, then I'm in trouble. You have to admit, the toyota comment was funny. And yes, them 5.0s are pretty quick.

Still not a good looking car in my opinion, they're quick i'll give them that.

Wow, I just got insulted by some asshat who has 451 posts..
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Not sure why post count matters. I meant for my comment to be a joke.


Is that you, in your profile picture? Dang, tough guy driving a Toyota.

Why are you in the 10 second club? The club isn't for 10 seconds from 0-60.







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:D

:corn:

Now this reminds me of the eastern section 10 years ago.

It's been quiet in here for quite a while.

Remember those days Joel...

because everyone has moved to facebook hahhaha

Yes they are quick cars good weight, great power, strong rearend. Rather have an 03 04 cobra tho :)

451 posts is better than this stupid thread.

Hell we use to fight about nonsense back when huh Brien...HAHAHA...

Guys its all good....
I was just saying how the 5.0 is pretty good

Now as far as going fast with a LT1 or a LS1....
Hawk From Hell April 98 High Tech Pontiac Magazine 1997 N20 Firehawk 10.60's@125
ALL MOTOR 346 00 WS6 10.89@124 (04)

I am just an old man now with a corolla s :)

JS
BEEN HERE SINCE THE MAFBA DAYS 1996

Does post count matter that much? If so, then I'm in trouble. You have to admit, the toyota comment was funny. And yes, them 5.0s are pretty quick.I agree.
I love the new Mustang GT, that's a lot of car for only $31k (or less).

And personally, I too would drive a Ford :usa: WAAAYYY before I'd drive a Toyopet. :rice :D ;)

The plan is to and was to drive my corolla as a dd...I got rid of soooooooo many cars too fast or acted on impulse and I just wont allow myself to do that anymore...So I jumped ship and have re-thought my next vehicle...In the end I am still not sure, but the toyopet as u call it will stay put ;)

And yes it was a funny response, all kidding aside
I would buy a 5.0 but honestly I dont know which way to go and havent in a while since the pontiacs, camaro etc...Soooo in the end I am taking my time, I will know what and when (30th, GMMG, CETA, HAWK, 1LE, WS6 Formee) will see :)

Yes they are quick cars good weight, great power, strong rearend. Rather have an 03 04 cobra tho :)

why exactly, jus curious?

I like the body style the engine is great and already supercharge

You couldn't convince me to even get back in one of those pieces of shit. Most god awful car I have ever even sat in. My best friend had a black one, and the only thing it was good for was pictures. It made my white WS6 look sexier with a black car next to it! :D

You couldn't convince me to even get back in one of those pieces of shit. Most god awful car I have ever even sat in. My best friend had a black one, and the only thing it was good for was pictures. It made my white WS6 look sexier with a black car next to it! :D

What car is this?

What car is this?

The new 5.0's.

The new 5.0's.

Oh ok thought you was talking about a termi.. The new 5.0's look good up close though just never been in one :(

Oh ok thought you was talking about a termi.. The new 5.0's look good up close though just never been in one :(

Hell no, Termi's are the only thing with a modular motor that I can appreciate. But they are absolute trash inside. The build quality hasn't ventured far from the trash they put out in the mid 90's, just better technology to spruce it up a bit. The seats are awful; they have NO side bolsters at all, and you feel like you're going to fall out when you go around almost any type of turn... Not to mention how high up you sit in it, it doesn't have the usual sit low sports car feel to it. You honestly couldn't give me one. My best friend had the car for just three months, and he went to a 1986 Porsche 924-S and couldn't have been happier with the change.

Say watcha want but Ford has a winner
This new 5.0 mustang is badass and frankly for the $$$ cant be beat

Still I just cant own a ford...okay I'm done :)

Mabe...but I don't see any 5.0's being swapped into anything!

Hell no, Termi's are the only thing with a modular motor that I can appreciate. But they are absolute trash inside. The build quality hasn't ventured far from the trash they put out in the mid 90's...

And this is different from 4th gens how?

There's one thing that attracts me to the new 5.0 mustang: solid rear axle. Ford did the right thing (LISTEN UP GM AND DODGE!) and put a solid axle in their poor man's sports car.. an absolute victory over the IRS junk that Gm and Dodge decided to put in their cars.

Ford also did one other thing, kept the curb weight at a somewhat reasonable level, again a Gm and Dodge failure, with their cars both 400 lbs (Gm) and 700 lbs (Dodge) heavier then they should be.


As for the toyota comment, I hate to say it, but I found an 03 civic for a grand, with 53K on it. I bought it :( But, it will save me about 50 bucks a week in fuel, and no more wear and tear on the big diesel, that can just get used when I need the truck to tow or haul something, so the life expectancey on the truck is now going to surpass the 10 years I wanted to keep it for sure, which isn't a bad thing.

Driving the beater every day, is certainly not fun or exciting, and I hate to do it, but it just makes good $ sense to do. And if someone hits it, door dings it, gets scratched, I really couldn't care less about that, so parking up close at places, etc I will now do, instead of parking the big truck 8 miles out in every parking lot like I have been since I bought it lol.

Ford also did one other thing, kept the curb weight at a somewhat reasonable level, again a Gm and Dodge failure, with their cars both 400 lbs (Gm) and 700 lbs (Dodge) heavier then they should be.


The 1SS camaro weighs 3800 lbs, My car weighs 3600ish. 200 lbs is the weight of a passenger. My last car was a 2009 STI, which weighed around 36-3700. There is really no new performance cars that are particularly light, and probably never will be due to safety constraints/interest in making a car that sells because it has things inside that people enjoy while driving.

I've put 28k on a new camaro ss, and I'm approaching 10k on the 5.0. They're both really great cars (for the price).

Also there is nothing wrong with the mustang's interior, it's comfortable. My biggest gripe would be that the backseat provides a bit less knee room than the Camaro.


Also, a new Corolla is a spectacular DD. It looks as classy as a "beige" car can while returning excellent fuel economy, safety, and it's geared decent enough to make it feel like it can get out of its way if it needs to. The gf has one, and we haven't done a thing to it in 60k miles other than tires and oil.

I bought my 5.0 after driving both a 6 speed 11 SS and the 6 speed 5.0. The 5.0 was hands down the better car. Both cars were good, but the mustang rides better, has better options, and was cheaper. Granted the 6 speed in the new 5.0's has a tendency to suck, but other than that I don't have many complaints. It's funny that deft said the mustang has less knee room, because my biggest problem with the rear seat in the Camaro was the lack of head room.

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Exactly, I love my 2010 Corolla S
It does everything well for a compact, has plenty of room and get 30MPH on 87 octane...
I can also drive it threw the snow with no issue at all.

I still like the 5.0 but in the end I wont go Ford.

I have to go this summer without a hotrod but one things for sure I will have something by the end of the yr to mod again.

I will not get rid of my Corolla S as my DD :)

Big Joe, 1st beat my all motor 10.89@124 pass then talk trash ;)

And this is different from 4th gens how?

You are in fact aware that I am talking about how the new 5.0's Mustangs are still built like they were from the mid 90's? The technology is there, but the quality is not.

Shit.... they better be quick with a specfic/puropse built 4 cam 4 valve motor Only found in the Mustang. We've all seen what happens when GM builds a special motor that can only be found in one car. 638 toned-down hp in one bad ass Corvette! Still don't like Mustangs. Except the Terminator or any Mustang with a GM powerplant... which is actually a fairly good amout lol.

You are in fact aware that I am talking about how the new 5.0's Mustangs are still built like they were from the mid 90's? The technology is there, but the quality is not.

The way you worded what I quoted did not read that way - http://ls1tech.com/forums/16113237-post23.html

You are in fact aware that I am talking about how the new 5.0's Mustangs are still built like they were from the mid 90's? The technology is there, but the quality is not.

I really don't see any similarities between the 5.0 windsor and the 5.0 coyote? Aside from displacement... which is actually different too. the 5.0 windsor's were indeed 4.9Ls and the new coyote's are true 5.0L's. They are of different engine design in general? (the more modern) windsors were a 2 valve pushrod design that varied from 2 to 4 bolt main iron blocks with a distributor ignition and port injection and the new coyote is a 4 bolt main 4 cam 4 valve aluminum block with direct injection and coil on plug ignition? Sorry for the lecture but I'm just not seeing the similarity...?

Hell no, Termi's are the only thing with a modular motor that I can appreciate. But they are absolute trash inside. The build quality hasn't ventured far from the trash they put out in the mid 90's, just better technology to spruce it up a bit. The seats are awful; they have NO side bolsters at all, and you feel like you're going to fall out when you go around almost any type of turn... Not to mention how high up you sit in it, it doesn't have the usual sit low sports car feel to it. You honestly couldn't give me one. My best friend had the car for just three months, and he went to a 1986 Porsche 924-S and couldn't have been happier with the change.

All this coming from the guy who has a grand ams interior:eyes: I went from a GTO (which i think we all can agree that interior of one is on a different level of that of an f-body) to a new Boss 302. I feel much more at home in the boss. Recaro Seats are insanely comfortable, suede, nice stitching, all the panels are aligned perfect and squeek free. Steering wheel is also suede and extremely comfortable. There is 0 interior resonance, 0 NVH, and 0 rattles/squeeks. The interior is a million times better then the sn95 body style. How they can even be compared is ridiculous. I cant even imagine what you think of a CTS-Vs interior. Because we all know thats even shittier then the new mustangs :eyes: (sarcasm in case you cant catch that)

I own an F Body, but I can tell you the interior in a new edge SN95 is not shitty. It's not the best, but it's nothing to hate on especially if you have an F Body. The interiors of both Mustangs and Camaros sucked until the release of the 5th gen camaro and 10' S197. ***with the exception of the 1st gen camaro/mustang.

I really don't see any similarities between the 5.0 windsor and the 5.0 coyote? Aside from displacement... which is actually different too. the 5.0 windsor's were indeed 4.9Ls and the new coyote's are true 5.0L's. They are of different engine design in general? (the more modern) windsors were a 2 valve pushrod design that varied from 2 to 4 bolt main iron blocks with a distributor ignition and port injection and the new coyote is a 4 bolt main 4 cam 4 valve aluminum block with direct injection and coil on plug ignition? Sorry for the lecture but I'm just not seeing the similarity...?

I'm not talking about the engine, I'm talking about the entire car as a whole.

I'm not a fan of the new Camaro's or Mustangs. Already had a 2011 Camaro and sold it because I didn't like it.

Still liking the 4th gens. They look and feel like sport cars.

Let's face it, each manufacturer has a price point, then the budget team takes over and the budgets get passed around based off of the target audience. So for a sports car targeted towards middle income, they probably break it down to 40% asthetics/comfort 60% power train etc.

Whatever the actual numbers are (I have no clue), it's obviously different than if it was a caddy or buick. They know that if they cater too much to one target audience, it pushes another totally away. If they make too many different 'options' lists, it drives the overall cost up as well since it complicates production line.

The beauty lines in the aftermarket. So maybe you want better creature comforts, and don't want the car loud, but want it to look better, there's plenty of options. Or maybe you want a 3,000lb, no options car, well, technically you can get the new COPO camaro or you can strip out the interior and sell it on ebay.

Fact is, there isn't going to be a 100% purpose built car, at least not that makes everyone happy.

So if you hate the IRS, go aftermarket and change it.

Tell ya what, the day a solid axle conversion comes out for a new camaro or challenger I may get a little more serious about buying one, but at this point unless you back 1/2 the car it's not really happening.

I can't believe that one of the big cookie cutter suspension companies hasn't come out with a strait bolt in conversion yet. I'd have thought it would have already been out and on the market. Same for the gto, and while we're at it, corvettes too.

I'm not a fan of the new Camaro's or Mustangs. Already had a 2011 Camaro and sold it because I didn't like it.

Still liking the 4th gens. They look and feel like sport cars.

Agree 100%. Exactly why I sold my GTO.

Granted, I like the 5th gens, but they are made for a different audience. I'd still like one some day, just not as a 4th gen replacement.

They are nice cars all around IMO - Termi's are just plan bad@ss but I gotta say for all you can do to a n/a LS motor - they still impress me.

Don I only lasted 10 months in the 5th gen camaro...
God I hate those cars

In the end for me, its gonna be another 4th GEN all the way :)

At are track that opened no new 5.0 ran faster than a 14.3 slowest barebome stock ls1 ran 13.7

Don I only lasted 10 months in the 5th gen camaro...
God I hate those cars

In the end for me, its gonna be another 4th GEN all the way :)

5th gens are a pain in the ass. terrible visibility from inside, unnecessarily huge extrerior, crappy rear end, too many idiots own them... the list goes on. It's a publicity car that pulled GM's sales up. Hopefully they know that and they will make the 6th gen a car that a real enthusiast will consider buying.

my buddy does alot of ford tuning and he had a off the show room floor 5.0 put down 407 to the wheels... put a cold air on it and put down 418... stock tune

At are track that opened no new 5.0 ran faster than a 14.3 slowest barebome stock ls1 ran 13.7

they should shut the track down when its wet.....:P

when they first showed up at my local track it seemed everyone that brought them out had their chit together they were all in the 12's that I watched run-and the stock 5th gen camaros were all low 13's.

It stuck out to me because at the time I hadnt bought an ls1 car yet and was running my daily and for the first time since I had been racing it on street nights every shmuck showing up with a new mustang was beating me.

(daily is a 4 door fwd buick regal gs 3800sc with 220k miles that has run a pb of 13.1 on a bit of spray and 13.5 no spray minor bolt ons)

they go 12.6-7's all day here stock... i know of one running 10.8-11.1 with some minor mods...

They are fast and they are nice inside. I've owned 9 F-bodys and really wanted to buy a 5th Gen. But after driving both I couldn't bring myself to buy one.
And anyone that thinks the interior is similar in quality to a 90's Mustang hasn't really sat in one or talks out the side off their arse.

At are track that opened no new 5.0 ran faster than a 14.3 slowest barebone stock ls1 ran 13.7

At are track that opened no new 5.0 ran faster than a 14.3 slowest barebone stock ls1 ran 13.7



At are track that opened no new 5.0 ran faster than a 14.3 slowest barebome stock ls1 ran 13.7



no new 5.0 ran faster than a 14.3



:funny:

If you dont believe me one even got out ran by a 14.0 cobalt ss haha

If you dont believe me one even got out ran by a 14.0 cobalt ss haha

Actually I don't believe you.

Probably V6 mustangs, haha

Well we just did one at the shop, tune cold air and axleback
415RWHP

They are also 3600lbs and have solid rearend
The 5.0 are the new 4th Gen

Just for reference
My buddys 2011 GT WHIPPLE (E85) catback, 3.55's, race stars and boots, 2400 stall converter, custom tuning = 10.01@139

I would say thats IMPRESSIVE and the car will be at the efi shootout in a couple weeks at Atco Raceway :)

The 5.0 are the new 4th Gen

I had always considered the 4th gen to be the "new" 5.0 (in reference to the 86+ HO). I guess things have come full-circle...

I started driving in the early 80's at that time if you wanted a quick car without spending a fortune you built a SBC in a light car like a nova/ventura or camaro/firebird. The original 5.0 changed all that , it was pretty quick stock by 87 or so and the aftermarket/bolt ons were astounding , very cheap car to make quick.

So what you guys posting just above me are saying is a continuation of that as it went to the 4th gen and now back to the 5.0

GM your up next , time for a 3200 pound 1970 split bumper retro do over that makes over 400 to the wheels in showroom trim with some wink wink stuff packed in the trunk like the old days to make it 500 hp , make it sell for $29995 and get 30 highway.... batter up :devil:

Say watcha want but Ford has a winner
This new 5.0 mustang is badass and frankly for the $$$ cant be beat

Still I just cant own a ford...okay I'm done :)

35K+ is just too much for me on that car.

Might be nice just not worth the loot

35K+ is just too much for me on that car.

Might be nice just not worth the loot

i built a base 5.0 for under 30k, never actually bought it... lol

WS6 was 28K new
That was 2002....35K isnt all that bad for the same thing 10yrs later..
But u can opt a mustang for 30K...Still I am not a Ford guy ;)

I just waited until I found a good deal on a 2011 that was used. I let someone else take the hit for the depreciation. My car stickers at almost $40k new and I got it for $25k.

Hell we use to fight about nonsense back when huh Brien...HAHAHA...

Guys its all good....
I was just saying how the 5.0 is pretty good

Now as far as going fast with a LT1 or a LS1....
Hawk From Hell April 98 High Tech Pontiac Magazine 1997 N20 Firehawk 10.60's@125
ALL MOTOR 346 00 WS6 10.89@124 (04)

I am just an old man now with a corolla s :)

JS
BEEN HERE SINCE THE MAFBA DAYS 1996

Want a biscuit? Still a dumb trolling post if you ask me. Not brand sensitive here but u had to expect some backlash on a LS site.

Still I just cant own a ford...but in the end I wont go Ford.Still I am not a Ford guy ;)Ok, I understand the 'preferring GM over Ford' thing, but you really would rather be known as a 'Toyota guy' than a Ford guy?:huh: :confused:

When I think of a Ford Mustang GT (or GT500, or old Boss 429) it conjures up images of a somewhat masculine driver with maybe some cool tattoos that drag races fast V8 RWD cars and maybe even used to ride a motorcycle...when I think of Toyotas or Hondas I see young female secretaries LOL. :lol:
No offense. ;)

Im a Toyota guy. Trust me they all aren't slow econoboxes driven by female secretaries. I had an MR2 back in the day and put a rape on quite a few vettes/fbodies. They all looked stunned after the race.

Either way the new 5.0's are awesome. I'd I had the funds for a new car.. It would most likely be a new Mustang. You get a lot of bang for your buck.

Im a Toyota guy. Trust me they all aren't slow econoboxes driven by female secretaries. I had an MR2 back in the day and put a rape on quite a few vettes/fbodies.True, and of course the MkIV Supra Turbos can be modified to run very fast as well. :nod:

Ok, I understand the 'preferring GM over Ford' thing, but you really would rather be known as a 'Toyota guy' than a Ford guy?:huh: :confused:

When I think of a Ford Mustang GT (or GT500, or old Boss 429) it conjures up images of a somewhat masculine driver with maybe some cool tattoos that drag races fast V8 RWD cars and maybe even used to ride a motorcycle...when I think of Toyotas or Hondas I see young female secretaries LOL. :lol:
No offense. ;)

The irony in what you said is the fact that Carroll Shelby himself has said numerous times at the Mustang originally was a secretaries car.

The irony in what you said is the fact that Carroll Shelby himself has said numerous times at the Mustang originally was a secretaries car.Also true LOL...back then, a base 6 cylinder Mustang was just that simply because there were so VERY FEW Toyotas or Hondas on American roads yet LOL. :D
But also back then, no red blooded American male would ever DREAM of being called a 'Toyota guy' (and not a Ford/GM/Mopar guy) either. ;) In the '40s/early '50s it might've even been considered treason LOL. :lol:
Times sure have changed.

The irony in what you said is the fact that Carroll Shelby himself has said numerous times at the Mustang originally was a secretaries car.

So I guess you call this progress.
1964 secretaries car
http://http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/7998photo/1964_1_2_mustang_convertible.jpg
2012 Secretaries car

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/7998photo/2012-Toyota-Corolla.png

Give me 1964, My have we gone forward. Why do cars have to be so F-ing ugly nowadays.

Well we just did one at the shop, tune cold air and axleback
415RWHP

They are also 3600lbs and have solid rearend
The 5.0 are the new 4th Gen

Just for reference
My buddys 2011 GT WHIPPLE (E85) catback, 3.55's, race stars and boots, 2400 stall converter, custom tuning = 10.01@139

I would say thats IMPRESSIVE and the car will be at the efi shootout in a couple weeks at Atco Raceway :)

I'm really not impressed with the looks nor the power of the Ford. Seems weak as hell to me. I like the looks of the new Camaro and the Challenger but to buy something new with the piss ant HP that comes out of them just seems silly to me. I guess if I didn't know how to work on a car and crank em up I'd want something stock.
My buddys car runs 7.4's with some hair dryers and a few doo-dads on it.

I would say that's IMPRESSIVE and the car WON at the LSX shoot out just recently.

I guess it's all your point of reference.

I like the looks of the new Camaro and the Challenger but to buy something new with the piss ant HP that comes out of them just seems silly to me.Nah the horsepower is fine actually (426hp (SS manual) and 470hp (SRT8) respectively) it's just the damn excessive weight that's hurting those two cars so much. :nono:

I drove my friends C6 stock Z06 with 505HP. Seemed slow to me. But I'm comparing it to my car. Now the lateral grip was incredible. Definitely something I'd buy for the road courses.

still not bad once you consider the hp to cubic inch... allot better than a 6.2 making 426... 5.0 making 400+ all stock aint to bad i guess

So u r telling me a car with a STOCK CONVERTER & AC that runs 10.00's@139 is lame..

Then brag about your buddys 7.40 car?

Well then there is only one thing to say...Here is what we race, just alittle 10.5 car that would leave your buddys 7.40 car high and dry...
It runs 6.40's on a 10.5 ;)

Marc I bought the toy (girls car) because I needed something to drive EVERYDAY
I got 2.9% and 100K warranty...

Do u think I am a Toy guy cause I have one?
Answer no but at 4.00 a gallon I will drive it and love it all the way to the bank.

In the end I am known as a GM guy because I love them
And I will have another one soon to tinker with, just like u :)

they need a redesigned 4th gen. so when im about 40 like so many mid life crisis having males today, i will buy a brand new car and it will be just that. a highly upgraded 4thgen styled camaro.

however the way things are going they may drop the engine size and boost the hp.

im one for keeping the engine size a minimum of 5.7l and NO V6 OPTION

muscle doesnt make put-put, or weed-eater noises dammit!!!

still not bad once you consider the hp to cubic inch... allot better than a 6.2 making 426... 5.0 making 400+ all stock aint to bad i guess

I hate that Mustang Fan-Boy logic... Almost as much as I hate ricer math. That is an absolute retarded argument.

so being able to make 450whp from a full exhaust, air intake and tune, is considered weak? I dont know of any ls1s or ls2s that can do that without head work and cam swaps.

So u r telling me a car with a STOCK CONVERTER & AC that runs 10.00's@139 is lame..

Then brag about your buddys 7.40 car?

Well then there is only one thing to say...Here is what we race, just alittle 10.5 car that would leave your buddys 7.40 car high and dry...
It runs 6.40's on a 10.5 ;)

10.0 is pretty good for a stock motor and trans but I've seen so many get to that point with small mods and some weight reduction that it just doesn't do it for me. Now on the 6.40 car? Definitely interested. It's flying on a 10.5. Tell us more about THAT one.

Marc I bought the toy (girls car) because I needed something to drive EVERYDAY
I got 2.9% and 100K warranty...

Do u think I am a Toy guy cause I have one?
Answer no but at 4.00 a gallon I will drive it and love it all the way to the bank.

Why not have gone with a Cruze? 100k mile warranty and I'm sure you could have got a similar rate.

NA making 450RWHP is definitely something. Not going to say it's not. The motor can flat out breath. Ford's done a lot of work in cam phasing, multi valves etc. I just don't feel it's out of reach by the other manufacturers. Make a complicated motor with all the crap you can throw in there or keep it simple and add a few more cubes and good design for better breathing. I like the simpler approach.

As far as the Toyota....hell I drive my Wifes Acura whenever I can when I have to travel any distance and not tow something. My 8.1 liter tends to eat fuel at a good rate.

Man I need to buy a DD.

so being able to make 450whp from a full exhaust, air intake and tune, is considered weak? I dont know of any ls1s or ls2s that can do that without head work and cam swaps.

4 cams and 4 valves per cyl with higher compression (also the motor is wider)is the reason for that.

4 cams and 4 valves per cyl with higher compression (also the motor is wider)is the reason for that.

The engine is bigger than that of a fully assembled NHRA dragster's big block...

The fact is, the 3 pony cars are fast enough stock for 99.9% of the people out there. It's the 0.1% or less that complain that the cars are too heavy, not enough power, weak rear end etc.

Does anyone really think the automakers care about the 0.1%?