Street Racing & Kill Stories - Intake/longtube LS2 GTO vs built motor/cammed/bolt on 99 cobra

Met up with a guy that had a 99 cobra today. I had a callout thread up on SVTP and he agreed to meet up for some freindly runs. Was def a cool guy, and there was no drama at all. Anyways, on to the runs...

Mods:

GTO- svede intake, kooks longtubes, tune

Cobra- Built motor with higher compression, FRPP cams, bolt ons

This was the car. Very clean!

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/transamman305/DSC02603.jpg

And the races...First run both cars started in 2nd, second run the cobra was in 1st and GTO in 2nd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsAL5JEYVO8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCerfJxo47Q&feature=youtu.be

this is how a callout thread is supposed to turn out. good kill op, car moves out! cobra should have looked into the race alittle more before jumpin into it. glad it was drama free tho. always fun to race someone and everyones cool win or lose

I love how that Cobra looks. Good kill!

this is how a callout thread is supposed to turn out. good kill op, car moves out! cobra should have looked into the race alittle more before jumpin into it. glad it was drama free tho. always fun to race someone and everyones cool win or lose

+1 and daytime vids

poor cobra......

You rocked him! Glad I'm in before all the 4v guys show up whining.

Man that goat moves out! Nice runs!

Poorly built cobra, but nice vids and kills.

Poorly built cobra, but nice vids and kills.

Seriously dude? You act as if a N/A 4.6 Cobra with Cams at full weight is some kind of terror

Thanks guys. Wished it was a closer run, but what are you gonna do. Still waiting for that 113 mph bolt on mach 1 that's gonna show the GTO up... Starting to lose hope at this point.

:jest:

Good job OP. I know you dont want to start drama but this race played out exactly how I expected it. Chalk up another loss for SVTP. They talk to much sh*t over there. And they were giving you hell just for a simple friendly run and call out

Thanks guys. Wished it was a closer run, but what are you gonna do. Still waiting for that 113 mph bolt on mach 1 that's gonna show the GTO up... Starting to lose hope at this point.

:jest:

LOL like they told me. A bolt on Mach wont have any problem keeping up with your SRT8. Called the Mach out

The Result. And they say Bolt on for Bolt on Mach's are a drivers race with GTO's because they trap 113 lolololz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs_AT11tUzI

Track times for cobra?

what they make about a 2/3 of your power and dont make the power and TQ band you make. It was what should have happened.

Track times for cobra?

He hasn't been to a track since the cams and higher compression, but before with full bolt ons and a tune he ran a 13.0 at 108 mph I think he said.

Pretty impressive! Nice kill!

Ouch. No excuses. Cobra lost. I saw the call out thread... Seems the Machs are dodging it. At least the Cobra guys are jumping all over it. At least you got a run out of it.

Good kill.

My buddy went 13.2 108/09 in his bolt on Mach. Now has cams and he wants 117. Idk how realistic that is though

Thanks guys. Wished it was a closer run, but what are you gonna do. Still waiting for that 113 mph bolt on mach 1 that's gonna show the GTO up... Starting to lose hope at this point.

:jest:

fkn lol was just thinking the same thing. Built,, cams still not traping over 110. Nice.

My buddy went 13.2 108/09 in his bolt on Mach. Now has cams and he wants 117. Idk how realistic that is though

Picking up almost 10 mph from a cam swap. Seems legit.


OP link us to the call out thread i wana lol at this shit.

My buddy went 13.2 108/09 in his bolt on Mach. Now has cams and he wants 117. Idk how realistic that is though

Funny how every time a 2 or 4-valve Mustang gets walked someone always feels the need to chime in about what their "buddies" car ran, though we never see said car actually run these time. :eyes: I assume your buddy had a good amount of weight pulled out on the cam-only run.

my 4v wants of piece of this GTO on the 18th :):)... ok now im just trolling... carry on.

And excellent murder

Can you read??!!! Says WANTS, not does. Idk if it'll trap 117.

Funny how every time a 2 or 4-valve Mustang gets walked someone always feels the need to chime in about what their "buddies" car ran, though we never see said car actually run these time. :eyes: I assume your buddy had a good amount of weight pulled out on the cam-only run.

Lol, calm down, take a breath, reread the post you were responding to.

trapping 117+ out of an NA 4 valve is more then possible. It just requires you to know what your doing. Not happening with a stock motor though. Low teens are def possible though.

My buddies bolt on 01 cobra went 12.6@111 on street tires. Only weight reduction was jack/spare and the full exhaust saved weight. It had Cai/ported intake/intake spacer/Udp/full exhaust/3.73/tune. And a Mach should run better cause it's lighter. The cobra is now a 5.0 stroker,10.5 compression (boost coming soon) with ported stock heads and smallish blower cams with a fr500 intake and it edges out my buddies long tube/vararam/tune 02' c5 z. So yea they can run hard. Certainly harder than this one did, but it didn't and the gto got it done.

fkn lol was just thinking the same thing. Built,, cams still not traping over 110. Nice.



Picking up almost 10 mph from a cam swap. Seems legit.


OP link us to the call out thread i wana lol at this shit.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/road-side-pub-17/866668-callout-thread-bolt-03-04-mach-1-northern-ct-area-14.html

Here ya go. It's a long read lol. The actual races are posted on page 14.

my 4v wants of piece of this GTO on the 18th :):)... ok now im just trolling... carry on.

And excellent murder

Haha....that may be a one sided race unless the GTO mods up a bit more, or starts taking doors and fenders off to drop the weight!

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/road-side-pub-17/866668-callout-thread-bolt-03-04-mach-1-northern-ct-area-14.html

Here ya go. It's a long read lol. The actual races are posted on page 14.



Haha....that may be a one sided race unless the GTO mods up a bit more, or starts taking doors and fenders off to drop the weight!

nah his car runs good... i bet it would be closer then people expect.

I'd just like to remind everyone...

I told you so.

Carry on.

nice kill

Man, that thread on SVT looks like the first thread here on LS1tech. Everyones posting up random youtube videos, explaining why the Mach in stock trim would be faster then a fully built Cobra, etc etc... Jesus H.

You're making some people cry over there. At least many have kept a level head regardless of the outcome... but some... oh man. The fanboyism is bleeding on that thread.

Nice run..Cobra did not have a chance...Still say the GTO runs harder than others I have run...

Those guys on the svt site are tough lol. Too bad we're not closer, I think it'd be a good run. N/A you'd probably have me by 2-3 cars, and it would probably be door to door on spray. If i get a chance to run one I'll post the vid.

Those guys on the svt site are tough lol. Too bad we're not closer, I think it'd be a good run. N/A you'd probably have me by 2-3 cars, and it would probably be door to door on spray. If i get a chance to run one I'll post the vid.

That's gotta be false, apparently bolt on machs trap over 110 "all the time" This is a 113mph gto why would a mach need spray to run door to door with one?

I'd just like to remind everyone...

I told you so.

Carry on.

I cant believe im saying this but you did LOL

That's gotta be false, apparently bolt on machs trap over 110 "all the time" This is a 113mph gto why would a mach need spray to run door to door with one?

How many excuses do you want? lol

Both cars are super clean!

Will definitely show everyone in my area who thinks GTOs are slow for what they are this video

Nice run..Cobra did not have a chance...Still say the GTO runs harder than others I have run...

This GTO runs harder than a few we have run as well, lol. My brother destroyed a kid in another 6.0 GTO with an intake and catback. Only difference was that he didn't have longtubes. It was probably a solid 5 car difference...thats why you can never judge how fast a car is by seeing someones vid. Different mods do different things!

Those guys on the svt site are tough lol. Too bad we're not closer, I think it'd be a good run. N/A you'd probably have me by 2-3 cars, and it would probably be door to door on spray. If i get a chance to run one I'll post the vid.

That would be an interesting race. Would be cool to get a run off and on the spray just to see the difference. And Good luck finding one too...I'm def in for the vid!

Both cars are super clean!

Will definitely show everyone in my area who thinks GTOs are slow for what they are this video

LOL, I just laugh when someone says they're slow because they weigh like 4000 lbs...

Then I tell them that this one went 12.75 at 113 with two basic mods...or most of the time we just call them out and see if they'd like to run a slow GTO. :angel:

LOL, I just laugh when someone says they're slow because they weigh like 4000 lbs...

Then I tell them that this one went 12.75 at 113 with two basic mods...or most of the time we just call them out and see if they'd like to run a slow GTO. :angel:
I think the main reason most think they are slow is most kids I know have auto LS1/LS2 Goats and GM detunes the living hell out of those from the factory and these same guys - this is their first V8 car so they think it is an absolute monster from the factory

The fact of the matter is that you can easily do a few easy free mods (weight reduction), a few bolt-ons ;) , and get rid of that stupid ls2 intake manifold and be set

EDIT: When is your turbo 3rd gen going to be done? Tick tock, tick tock

Those guys on the svt site are tough lol. Too bad we're not closer, I think it'd be a good run. N/A you'd probably have me by 2-3 cars, and it would probably be door to door on spray. If i get a chance to run one I'll post the vid.

:lol: Really your car runs that bad?

Not that it would have made the race even but if I read correctly that the Cobra was running stock gears thats a major reason the race was so one sided. 3.27s in a cammed 4v is probably the worst gears you can have. Just swapping to 4.30s in a stock one is good for almost a half second of e.t.

Good kills though OP. Thats about what I would have expected with the cobra's mods.

Gears, making 10 second mustangs since 63!

EDIT: When is your turbo 3rd gen going to be done? Tick tock, tick tock

If you know who has a T56 I can "borrow" then it would be on the road. My wonderful "rebuilt" T56 that I bought on here was not so rebuilt and grenaded on the 2nd drive. Now I'm having it built with a level 2 upgrade kit as well as a viper main shaft and input shaft. Should never blow up again, but it is a HUGE inconvenience, and has been very costly (have about $1100 in parts going into it). With that said, it should be done in another week or so and the car will be on the road. Just a huge headache, and it sucks since the car is basically roadworthy and then this happened!

:lol: Really your car runs that bad?

No worse than yours... he just lives in the real world.
You should visit some time.

Lol he must not have gears!!!! Lmfao

Its all about shifting after redline, is all.

How many excuses do you want? lol

lol Why cars not running on point? Im just going by what i hear, to be honest from what i keep hearing on here from mach 1 owners is that it is common for them to trap over 110 with bolt ons. looks more like your car is a 106-108ish mph car with bolt ons then, am i correct?

If you know who has a T56 I can "borrow" then it would be on the road. My wonderful "rebuilt" T56 that I bought on here was not so rebuilt and grenaded on the 2nd drive. Now I'm having it built with a level 2 upgrade kit as well as a viper main shaft and input shaft. Should never blow up again, but it is a HUGE inconvenience, and has been very costly (have about $1100 in parts going into it). With that said, it should be done in another week or so and the car will be on the road. Just a huge headache, and it sucks since the car is basically roadworthy and then this happened!

To ease your mind, $1100 in transmission parts or even that close to a rebuild is fairly cheap for the return. My trans costs 3-4k used. Brand new from the dealer. Ha, good luck. So, it's not all that bad of an investment.

lol Why cars not running on point? Im just going by what i hear, to be honest from what i keep hearing on here from mach 1 owners is that it is common for them to trap over 110 with bolt ons. looks more like your car is a 106-108ish mph car with bolt ons then, am i correct?

Yes sir you are correct, the last track outing netted 13.1 at 107, with exhaust and 3.73s, on a side note that was my 2nd time at the track and I need some serious driver training, my 60ft was 2.13 lol. With my recent additions I'm hoping for high 12s n/a and high 11s on n2o.

When it comes to roll races, I don't see a big enough difference in cars trapping107 and 115 it should be a driver's race at that point. Also as far a weight reduction goes, I don't see how 100 or 200lbs will make a significant difference unless you're at the track with a 10sec race car.

Just my .02 carry on gentleman

In my experience, a 200lb passenger can make a 1 to a 1.5 car difference in a race like this.

No worse than yours... he just lives in the real world.
You should visit some time.

Well if 107 is 112+ in the so called real world then you are right.

When it comes to roll races, I don't see a big enough difference in cars trapping107 and 115 it should be a driver's race at that point. Also as far a weight reduction goes, I don't see how 100 or 200lbs will make a significant difference unless you're at the track with a 10sec race car.

Just my .02 carry on gentleman

Inall honesty, if you can take 200 lbs out of a car, that is a HUGE difference in performance, even from a roll. Less weight means a harder hit after that 3rd beep....and also, if you put a 107 trap car against a 115 trap car from a roll, it would look like a football fields difference. Not sure what you meant by that, but coming from an avid roll racer, that is quite the margin, lol.

We have a local intake, x-pipe, catback, gear, stall 100 shot mach traping 119 just for comparison.

We have a local intake, x-pipe, catback, gear, stall 100 shot mach traping 119 just for comparison.

We have a local LS1 GTO trapping 124 with bolt ons.
Just for comparison.

Yes sir you are correct, the last track outing netted 13.1 at 107, with exhaust and 3.73s, on a side note that was my 2nd time at the track and I need some serious driver training, my 60ft was 2.13 lol. With my recent additions I'm hoping for high 12s n/a and high 11s on n2o.

When it comes to roll races, I don't see a big enough difference in cars trapping107 and 115 it should be a driver's race at that point. Also as far a weight reduction goes, I don't see how 100 or 200lbs will make a significant difference unless you're at the track with a 10sec race car.

Just my .02 carry on gentleman

In my experience, a 200lb passenger can make a 1 to a 1.5 car difference in a race like this.
100lb = .1 in most cars.
We have a local intake, x-pipe, catback, gear, stall 100 shot mach traping 119 just for comparison.
with out the 100 shot it's a 109 car +/-

Yes 109 without longtubes and its not even set up for motor

We have a local LS1 GTO trapping 104 with bolt ons.
Just for comparison.

Fixed

Yes sir you are correct, the last track outing netted 13.1 at 107, with exhaust and 3.73s, on a side note that was my 2nd time at the track and I need some serious driver training, my 60ft was 2.13 lol. With my recent additions I'm hoping for high 12s n/a and high 11s on n2o.

When it comes to roll races, I don't see a big enough difference in cars trapping107 and 115 it should be a driver's race at that point. Also as far a weight reduction goes, I don't see how 100 or 200lbs will make a significant difference unless you're at the track with a 10sec race car.

Just my .02 carry on gentleman

The difference between a 107 trapping car and a 115 trapping car on the roll is not anything close to a drivers race. If both guys have any clue how to shift gears, that 115 car is pulling fairly well on the 107 car the entire time. I put 3 cars on a bolt on mach 1 that trapped 107 with my gto at the time trapping 111. 50-130

No worse than yours... he just lives in the real world.
You should visit some time.

LOL :cheers:

We have a local LS1 GTO trapping 124 with bolt ons.
Just for comparison.

see if he wants to play with a cts-v

We have a local LS1 GTO trapping 124 with bolt ons.
Just for comparison.

lol wat? where do you live? 5K feet below sea level?

Yeah cuz it's impossible for any ls1 gto to trap 124.... Durrrrrrrr

We have a local intake, x-pipe, catback, gear, stall 100 shot mach traping 98 just for comparison.

Fixed.

Fixed.

Nope I didn't say local ctsv

The car is a heads/cam and runs somewhere in the 10s now.
And it isn't a he, it's a she.

We have a local LS1 GTO trapping 124 with bolt ons.
Just for comparison.

Bolts ons for juice means heads cam and all that?

wtb: mach 1 swap. All ill need to break into the 110+ mph and 11s is an x pipe and a gear, maybe after the catback i can start racing 120mph cars!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ot_0SZ5tsA

It's still not a bolt on car my friend... U sure ur car was only headers?:secret:

It's still not a bolt on car my friend... U sure ur car was only headers?:secret:

Sorry, she trapped 119 with bolt ons and 125+ with heads/cam.
And yes, I'm sure :cheers:

Most of these 110+ trap Mach1s ive noticed are in close to perfect/great DA and usually gutted out or some sort of major weight reduction. If you want to get simple with it a local guy trapped 111 in his fully optioned 02 ss with a lid, ported TB and chopped off muffler. Driver weighs 280-300lbs too. Another local on here with ported TB, LTs, lid, exhaust and UDP trapped 115 full weight z28. Ive noticed alot of F-bodys are hit or miss though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ot_0SZ5tsA

Seen her in GMHTP......I made wood to that pic of her standing next to her car:)........don't tell my gf

i followed that car for my entire ownership of my GTO. That car never went 119 with bolt ons. It went 119 with H/C and was further played with to achieve where its at now. It struggled to get into the 11s with bolt ons but eventually she pulled it off.

:drool: My girl this weekend was looking up cammed l99 camaros on youtube. I was so proud!

The car is a heads/cam and runs somewhere in the 10s now.
And it isn't a he, it's a she.
Sweet and it had trouble going 11s with boltons from what I hear. There are numerous bolton 4vs in the mid to low 11s traping 118+ and one that wents 10s just saying lol

Most of these 110+ trap Mach1s ive noticed are in close to perfect/great DA and usually gutted out or some sort of major weight reduction.

wrong

Didn't watch the vids but by reading all the brand loyal responses I'll say good kill.

NitemareTA- did he happen to tell you what he put down on the rollers?

Didn't watch the vids but by reading all the brand loyal responses I'll say good kill.

NitemareTA- did he happen to tell you what he put down on the rollers?

He said 378 RWHP, but he said the dyno operator seemed like he had no clue how to hook the car up to get the HP to read. Then the next pull it made 350 RWHP. I told him he should bring it to a competent shop to have it dynoed, since it runs like a 320ish RWHP car.

He said 378 RWHP, but he said the dyno operator seemed like he had no clue how to hook the car up to get the HP to read. Then the next pull it made 350 RWHP. I told him he should bring it to a competent shop to have it dynoed, since it runs like a 320ish RWHP car.

What? lol. Surprised nobody got hurt. He definately could have made better choices on his build (shit cams IMO) but to each his own. I'll check over in the tech sections on SVTP and look for the "my built motor lost to a bolt on car" and see what else he's got done to it.

Good runs.

-Mark

He said 378 RWHP, but he said the dyno operator seemed like he had no clue how to hook the car up to get the HP to read. Then the next pull it made 350 RWHP. I told him he should bring it to a competent shop to have it dynoed, since it runs like a 320ish RWHP car.

320 is being nice looked more like 280 to me

What? lol. Surprised nobody got hurt. He definately could have made better choices on his build (shit cams IMO) but to each his own. I'll check over in the tech sections on SVTP and look for the "my built motor lost to a bolt on car" and see what else he's got done to it.

Good runs.

-Mark

LOL, thanks man. Takes some "know how" to build a motor correctly, especially a small cube motor like a 4.6. Part choice def makes a difference.

320 is being nice looked more like 280 to me

He said he made 280-290 with bolt ons only. I would hope it's over 300 now with cams and higher compression! Plus, you've got to remember this is a 100% full weight car with 3.27's out back...cams don't like no gear.

LOL, thanks man. Takes some "know how" to build a motor correctly, especially a small cube motor like a 4.6. Part choice def makes a difference.



He said he made 280-290 with bolt ons only. I would hope it's over 300 now with cams and higher compression! Plus, you've got to remember this is a 100% full weight car with 3.27's out back...cams don't like no gear.

Yea it runs like a intake exhaust car with a stock gear.

Yea it runs like a intake exhaust car with a stock gear.

I really wish we could have found a bolt on mach 1 to run over on SVTP. Just went to a local car show that had a mustang night. Saw about 10 mach 1's there and every single one was an old man owner...

I can almost guarantee a full bolt on mach 1 wouldn't touch this GTO.

I really wish we could have found a bolt on mach 1 to run over on SVTP. Just went to a local car show that had a mustang night. Saw about 10 mach 1's there and every single one was an old man owner...

I can almost guarantee a full bolt on mach 1 wouldn't touch this GTO.

I can guarantee that a good running bolton mach will and if it doesn't then then somebody is lying about said mods on gto. If I recall it was a good run with a stock 3.31 gear 5.0 just goes to show how weak the cobra was. Also if you want to run one as bad as you say yall do then go to m1r and ask if anybody would be willing to meet at a local track for a friendly run.

Allot of excuses getting tossed around in here. Nothing should ever loose to a Gto, there heavy and slow. Ha.

wrong

Well then where are all these mach 1's hiding?

I should get my car tuned soon, i have a buddy who just got one with bolt ons and gears, from what you say he should stretch me.

I can guarantee that a good running bolton mach will and if it doesn't then then somebody is lying about said mods on gto. If I recall it was a good run with a stock 3.31 gear 5.0 just goes to show how weak the cobra was. Also if you want to run one as bad as you say yall do then go to m1r and ask if anybody would be willing to meet at a local track for a friendly run.

No lying about GTO's mods...just don't see a full weight 4.6 with bolt ons being as quick as a bolt on 6.0. And I want to see a re-match with a 5.0 now. That race was the day after the longtubes went on, so I'm just curious to see if the car picked up any now that the PCM had some time to make adjustments.

A supercharged 4.6 4 valve could barely pull back on the GTO, and the all motor N/A one got beat by a good amount....the outcomes make sense to me, and I understand some cars are not built well, but how many tries do we have to get till we DO find a good running 4.6?? Thats two down so far. A stock or mild bolt on 6.0 GTO is a drivers race for a stock 03-04 cobra....so I just don't see how a bolt on mach 1 would even be close.

No lying about GTO's mods...just don't see a full weight 4.6 with bolt ons being as quick as a bolt on 6.0. And I want to see a re-match with a 5.0 now. That race was the day after the longtubes went on, so I'm just curious to see if the car picked up any now that the PCM had some time to make adjustments.

A supercharged 4.6 4 valve could barely pull back on the GTO, and the all motor N/A one got beat by a good amount....the outcomes make sense to me, and I understand some cars are not built well, but how many tries do we have to get till we DO find a good running 4.6?? Thats two down so far. A stock or mild bolt on 6.0 GTO is a drivers race for a stock 03-04 cobra....so I just don't see how a bolt on mach 1 would even be close.

NEVER say that on SVTp... unless you want a 50 page shitstorm.
(btw I handed it to many stock and mild bolt on Cobras. Stay strong!)
lol

Truth.

NEVER say that on SVTp... unless you want a 50 page shitstorm.
(btw I handed it to many stock and mild bolt on Cobras. Stay strong!)
lol

I will be shocked if we don't get a shit storm here...there are enough Ford trolls to make it happen.

NEVER say that on SVTp... unless you want a 50 page shitstorm.
(btw I handed it to many stock and mild bolt on Cobras. Stay strong!)
lol

I'd have to disagree with that. Stock for stock an '03/04 should put a few lengths on an LS2 GTO all things equal. My '03 averaged 12.8X@112 in decent air, have witnessed many other cars run similar times to mine. I think its safe to say an '05/06 GTO is a bottom-13 sec car @ 109-ish.

Besides the above, the Cobra has a better power to weight ratio to boot. :)

Id have to give the termi the nod stock to stock. My best time in one is 12.70 at 113MPH and thats about normal for them back in the day powershifting with good air and decent traction. No way a stock LS2 goat can do that stock. LS2 goat and a late(01-02) LS1 Z28 M6 is a good race and close in my experiences(low 13s 107-108).

No lying about GTO's mods...just don't see a full weight 4.6 with bolt ons being as quick as a bolt on 6.0. And I want to see a re-match with a 5.0 now. That race was the day after the longtubes went on, so I'm just curious to see if the car picked up any now that the PCM had some time to make adjustments.

A supercharged 4.6 4 valve could barely pull back on the GTO, and the all motor N/A one got beat by a good amount....the outcomes make sense to me, and I understand some cars are not built well, but how many tries do we have to get till we DO find a good running 4.6?? Thats two down so far. A stock or mild bolt on 6.0 GTO is a drivers race for a stock 03-04 cobra....so I just don't see how a bolt on mach 1 would even be close.

I have video that says otherwise. pcm thing kinda sounds like gto added something else. Yea a crap running eaton mach with a armless driver lost nothing to brag about there. Like I said go to m1r and I am sure you can find some runs. Car went 12.7-12.9 at 111-113 I could fill a page of machs that have went just as fast and traped just as high with boltons.

I have video that says otherwise. pcm thing kinda sounds like gto added something else. Yea a crap running eaton mach with a armless driver lost nothing to brag about there. Like I said go to m1r and I am sure you can find some runs. Car went 12.7-12.9 at 111-113 I could fill a page of machs that have went just as fast and traped just as high with boltons.

And what will your excuse be the next time a Mach 1 loses? :lol: I swear you talk about what every other is capable of except your own. Do you still own a Mach 1? Show everyone what they're capable of then...

I have video that says otherwise. pcm thing kinda sounds like gto added something else. Yea a crap running eaton mach with a armless driver lost nothing to brag about there. Like I said go to m1r and I am sure you can find some runs. Car went 12.7-12.9 at 111-113 I could fill a page of machs that have went just as fast and traped just as high with boltons.

How would a bolt on mach 1 surpass the power that the eaton put down? To my knowledge power to weight is everything, if we have the same car/same weight and take away 100whp how would it get faster? It literally makes no sense. To be honest you make it seem like the eaton mach driver was a terminator driver or something lawl, he wasn't all that bad.

And what will your excuse be the next time a Mach 1 loses? :lol: I swear you talk about what every other is capable of except your own. Do you still own a Mach 1? Show everyone what they're capable of then...

If it runs well I want have a excuse other then good run. Mine went 12.6 @ 112 with mild boltons I wouldn't even have needed longtubes to run with the so called eaton mach killer goat lol still got it and still waiting on the converter I am in no rush.

How would a bolt on mach 1 surpass the power that the eaton put down? To my knowledge power to weight is everything, if we have the same car/same weight and take away 100whp how would it get faster? It literally makes no sense. To be honest you make it seem like the eaton mach driver was a terminator driver or something lawl, he wasn't all that bad.

Power to weight is not everything

Good runs.. Seems like my old stock cobra ran better than that one lol.

Power to weight is not everything

No it is. If it wasn't how come you and all you mach guys "slightly" lighten up your cars?

Look at HIO's car as mucha s most of you guys don't want to admit it his car is impressive as hell, 130mph trap.

We aren't talking about imports here.

I mean shit look lightened up bolt on LS1 f-bodys are traping 117-118 and running 11s.

Down here thgeres a guy with a literally intake exhaust auto ls1 swap in a coupe s13 240 that runs door to door with a nitrous bolt on 3v mustang that traps 118.


Power to weight is everything.

Allot of excuses getting tossed around in here. Nothing should ever loose to a Gto, there heavy and slow. Ha.


Finally. One down several to go! ;)

heres another "slightly" lightened up mach 1 lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKmIRqA8o_8&feature=plcp

No it is. If it wasn't how come you and all you mach guys "slightly" lighten up your cars? Look at HIO.

We aren't talking about imports here.

I mean shit look lightened up bolt on LS1 f-bodys are traping 117-118 and running 11s.

Down here thgeres a guy with a literally intake exhaust auto ls1 swap in a coupe s13 240 that runs door to door with a nitrous bolt on 3v mustang that traps 118.


Power to weight is everything.

We talking roll racing? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u8wi1Yo5_OU

We talking roll racing? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u8wi1Yo5_OU

Terrible argument, as if a bike can 60ft as good as a car, we all know E/T matters most when racing at the track, and 60ft determines that.

Lets use you're car or any car for example, drop 500lbs out of your car and let me know if it ends up getting faster or not, all things equal (powerband, gearing all that shit).

Power to weight is everything.

A 300hp 2000lb car will be faster than a 300hp 3300lb car.

My car making the power its making would get decimated by a 300hp civic even with the civics less broad power band.



BTW looks like the busa started to roll on by towards the end of the track.

Depends on the situation. My Srt 4 is light as it sits and should make good power when it's done but I'm sure I will get own at the track by heavier lower horse power cars because of traction and like you stated. So that's why power to weight is not "everything". Yes I can drop weight and go faster but I also can make it hook better and it can go faster that way too.

No it is. If it wasn't how come you and all you mach guys "slightly" lighten up your cars?

Look at HIO's car as mucha s most of you guys don't want to admit it his car is impressive as hell, 130mph trap.

We aren't talking about imports here.

I mean shit look lightened up bolt on LS1 f-bodys are traping 117-118 and running 11s.

Down here thgeres a guy with a literally intake exhaust auto ls1 swap in a coupe s13 240 that runs door to door with a nitrous bolt on 3v mustang that traps 118.


Power to weight is everything.
Make anything lighter and it will go faster but you can't always pick a race winner by power to weight ratios that is why it is not everything.

Power 2 weight, traction, and torque multiplication is all you need.

Depends on the situation. My Srt 4 is light as it sits and should make good power when it's done but I'm sure I will get own at the track by heavier lower horse power cars because of traction and like you stated. So that's why power to weight is not "everything". Yes I can drop weight and go faster but I also can make it hook better and it can go faster that way too.


I agree, it isn't EVERYTHING. But it makes up a good part of it. Alot of our cars (domestics) need all the weight reduction it can get, rwd, torque, is all on our side except weight. IMO all you need is some M/T on some steelies, fwd aren't THAT hard to get to hook at the track. Just preload coming out and warm them DR up real nice. Ive seen shit suspension civics cut 1.6 60fts with just tires and driver mod.


Make anything lighter and it will go faster but you can't always pick a race winner by power to weight ratios that is why it is not everything.

Yeah but the mach 1 in that run had no issues of traction, it was a roll race where those problems don't happen. Which is why i can't understand how that same car with 100 less whp would do any better? Which is what you keep saying.

I agree, it isn't EVERYTHING. But it makes up a good part of it. Alot of our cars (domestics) need all the weight reduction it can get, rwd, torque, is all on our side except weight. IMO all you need is some M/T on some steelies, fwd aren't THAT hard to get to hook at the track. Just preload coming out and warm them DR up real nice. Ive seen shit suspension civics cut 1.6 60fts with just tires and driver mod.




Yeah but the mach 1 in that run had no issues of traction, it was a roll race where those problems don't happen. Which is why i can't understand how that same car with 100 less whp would do any better? Which is what you keep saying.

I will say it again my car traped 112 making 298 the eaton mach traped only 1 mph higher and only lost to the gto due to driver error.

I will say it again my car traped 112 making 298 the eaton mach traped only 1 mph higher and only lost to the gto due to driver error.

If you say so. Never realized 100whp more would only generate 1mph more. Lets be realistic and maybe agree that not all mach 1s trap over 110?

If you say so. Never realized 100whp more would only generate 1mph more. Lets be realistic and maybe agree that not all mach 1s trap over 110?

Yea that's what happens when a car runs like pooh. No they sure don't just as all gtos don't trap over 110.

Yea that's what happens when a car runs like pooh. No they sure don't just as all gtos don't trap over 110.

They don't OP is obviously a wizard.

If it runs well I want have a excuse other then good run. Mine went 12.6 @ 112 with mild boltons I wouldn't even have needed longtubes to run with the so called eaton mach killer goat lol still got it and still waiting on the converter I am in no rush.

Corrected for Da....

They don't OP is obviously a wizard.

Along with all the mach wizards

Corrected for Da....

Wrong it was 12.4 @ 113.2 corrected for da

I think 90% of Tech will agree bolt on mach's arent 110-113 mph cars. Maybe 1 in 4000 but its sure not common. Otherwise I would have had some door to door races against bolt on mach's. To bad thats never been the case and most likely never will LOL :(

Anytime a bolt on Mach loses its...

Driver Error
Setup wasn't good
didnt have 4.10's (equal to a 100 shot in the mustang world)
didnt have 4.30's (equal to a 150 shot in the mustang world)

guess I will have to make another mach 1 call out in SoCal...this time I want full bolt ons, gears, slicks, cams........ my Cam, LT's and Stall just got here last week. Lets do disssss

12.6@107
4.30 gears, tune and exhaust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py9WnZBZOC4

12.18 @ 112 w/ a 1.64 60'. Mods: Full SLP (catted), JLT rai, Diablo 93, 4.10s, 275x17 DRs, No pass. seat & spare Air was awesome, track was iffy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG2-a95xKiI

12.9@107
MGW Shifter, ORX, Flowmaster Cat-back, KN Filter, tune, 4.10 gears, Street Tires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Wi3qHk2R0

12.1@114
Boltons, Slciks, and a 75 shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQGstDeR3UU

13.4@111
w/ jlt rai, magnapack cb, o/r x, mac lt's and sxt tuned on nitto drag radials
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C97moru9EYk

12.0@115
100 shot,slicks,4.10's, midpipe and catback
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh4q9_tIWtc


So what can we all conclude from these videos......that automach has no clue what hes talking about and his claims along with other delusional mach 1 owners have proven to be bologna

^ Boom.

Boof NiteRiderWS6 with the head shot.

Finally. One down several to go! ;)

:cheers:

I think a properly geared bolt-on mach 1 is capable of 110-113 traps. But thats just it. Not many people want to ride around with 4.56's. Mach's are a good 10-15rwhp higher than my 1st gen 4v and I was able to get into that range with bolt-ons (at 3200lbs). Me and a few others of the same generation 4v's were able to as well. But if there are vids of mach's running 105-107 then I guess all of them do. lol.

No ego here and not going to blow sunshine up any MACH 1's ass (since I have owned an 01 Z28 and various late 1960s Mopars) but I can tell you that my mods listed below does get me over 110 with a mid to high 1.90s 60Ft..

I am far from a Ford nutswinger and have nothing to prove here...just stating what I know FOR ME..Could be different at other tracks or other states due to DA. Not sure..just going by my personal experience..
Carry on....

12.6@107
4.30 gears, tune and exhaust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py9WnZBZOC4

12.18 @ 112 w/ a 1.64 60'. Mods: Full SLP (catted), JLT rai, Diablo 93, 4.10s, 275x17 DRs, No pass. seat & spare Air was awesome, track was iffy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG2-a95xKiI

12.9@107
MGW Shifter, ORX, Flowmaster Cat-back, KN Filter, tune, 4.10 gears, Street Tires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Wi3qHk2R0

12.1@114
Boltons, Slciks, and a 75 shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQGstDeR3UU

13.4@111
w/ jlt rai, magnapack cb, o/r x, mac lt's and sxt tuned on nitto drag radials
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C97moru9EYk

12.0@115
100 shot,slicks,4.10's, midpipe? and catback
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh4q9_tIWtc



So what can we all conclude from these videos......that automach has no clue what hes talking about and his claims along with other delusional mach 1 owners have proven to be bologna

Oh youtube vids 2 can play at that game :corn:

Bolton cars

Short Shifter, K&N CAI, 4.10s, full exhaust, and? suspension upgrades(k-member/coilovers, rear control arms,)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr54T76nAWc

cai,full exhaust, gears, tune, 60lbs of weight reduction just so I don't hear you bitch :angel:
Car has also been 113
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7FGqMVBRKw

Auto car 12.35 @ 110.xx I forget the exact mods but it is not a full bolt on car

http://www.streetfire.net/video/1235-in-mach-1-auto-2003_2388005.htm

Automach1 intake, x-pipe, catback, 4.10s, spacer, tune 298whp 12.6 @ 112

http://s1035.photobucket.com/albums/a439/bolton4valve/?action=view&current=M4H00171.mp4



Here Is a couple links to people posting there bolton times as well

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=102003

1/8th mile

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=121165

I have seen tons of bolt on Machs run mid to low 12s at Cecil. However even at that track which is fast I have yet to see one break 112MPH with bolt ons.

Yay, arguments via videos! lol.

My shitbox with 304rwhp. Just bolt-ons at a moderate track and I bogged with a 1.56. Race weight was around 3100.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w120/Bitemark46/th_1184.jpg (http://s174.photobucket.com/albums/w120/Bitemark46/?action=view&current=1184.mp4)

Ironically I was lined up against a mach 1 on spray. haha.

Oh youtube vids 2 can play at that game :corn:

Bolton cars

Short Shifter, K&N CAI, 4.10s (Guy clearly says 4.56's), full exhaust, and? suspension upgrades(k-member/coilovers, rear control arms,)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr54T76nAWc

cai,full exhaust, gears, tune, 60lbs of weight reduction just so I don't hear you bitch :angel:
Car has also been 113
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7FGqMVBRKw

Auto car 12.35 @ 110.xx I forget the exact mods but it is not a full bolt on car

http://www.streetfire.net/video/1235-in-mach-1-auto-2003_2388005.htm

Automach1 intake, x-pipe, catback, 4.10s, spacer, tune 298whp 12.6 @ 112

http://s1035.photobucket.com/albums/a439/bolton4valve/?action=view&current=M4H00171.mp4



Here Is a couple links to people posting there bolton times as well

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=102003

1/8th mile

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=121165

You just failed miserably. Not only did you post videos from some of the same mach's I did but you made up the mods and the weight taken out LOL so I will correct it for you in RED since you seem to like to make things up. And the yellow mach 1 in car says on his channel he removed the rear and front seats. Your contradicting yourself once again. Bolt on mach's arent 110-113 cars. Bolt on weight reduction Mach's are :corn:

So many holes in automach's posts its pathetic. You have to go dig up videos from 2003 from photobucket LOL. how long did you search for those? welcome to the era of youtube.

Let me repost this one for you since you cant see to well..
you just need to give it up there are a lot of innocent mach's getting killed over your claims.

12.1@114 Boltons, Slciks, and a 75 shot

1.55' 60 ft. that car was launched to the moon so lets hear the excuses...i will wait
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQGstDeR3UU

12.75@113 Bolt ons, tune, street tires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdU1Ufim_M

12.56@113.47 Tune only, street tires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDbkUBGFUHQ


Still looks like the Mach is slower to me...

srt8s are sick, theres not one thing i can say i DONT like about them, maybe the auto part, but in a way i feel like it belongs in there. niterider how many machs have you ran so far?

srt8s are sick, theres not one thing i can say i DONT like about them, maybe the auto part, but in a way i feel like it belongs in there. niterider how many machs have you ran so far?

about 11 now. 2 from SVTP the rest were at meets.

Heres the one from SVTP that actually was convinced by the SVTP crowd he would be a drivers race with me LOL. I knew the outcome I just wanted to make them look stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs_AT11tUzI

and here vs a Pullied 03 Cobra, I was in the wrong gear and he missed a gear lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIj9tWpoQyc

Whats the fastest bolt on record for a Mach 1? This is the fastest i found from 3 years ago within my forst 5 minutes of looking. There is faster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9v9QAGsRFo&lr=1

There is another @ 11.52.

Whats the fastest bolt on record for a Mach 1? This is the fastest i found from 3 years ago within my forst 5 minutes of looking. There is faster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9v9QAGsRFo&lr=1

you may want to say full weight bolt on Mach otherwise automach will come in here saying 11.5@125 LOL

Op why do you refer to your car as bolt on, when its not even close to being a full bolt on car? They would really cry if you were.....

Oh shit, full weight lol

Op why do you refer to your car as bolt on, when its not even close to being a full bolt on car? They would really cry if you were.....

Well technically it is a "bolt on" car, it's just not full bolt ons. I'd consider the tune as a mod, so intake, longtubes, and a tune is 3 things. Still plenty more though...gears, catback, throttle body, ported intake, etc. Car is barely breathed on in it's current form. :)

I'm willing to bet it will easily go 11's with a tire and another bolt on or two.

I still can't believe u guys are going back and forth over a mach1.. Specially arguing about a bolt on one... They r slow period... Unless fully built like any car can be with enough money.. But I still think they r ugly.. Even if one ran 10's. I don't know why u guy waste ur time, this kid just doesn't get it

So you guys have no problem with full bolt-on cars but the minute weight is taken out then it becomes what? A racecar? Weird. To me externally bolting something to a motor would be the same as unbolting something from the chassis. Don't both help the power to weight ratio?

Well technically it is a "bolt on" car, it's just not full bolt ons. I'd consider the tune as a mod, so intake, longtubes, and a tune is 3 things. Still plenty more though...gears, catback, throttle body, ported intake, etc. Car is barely breathed on in it's current form. :)

I'm willing to bet it will easily go 11's with a tire and another bolt on or two.

Car runs hard no doubt. I love being H/C, put away alot of unsuspecting cars when they see that "5.7" emblem on the back. Get yourself a ported intake and gears and watch out! Cars dont get much credit becuase they can be difficult to launch at the strip, but the ones that can drive them do impressive things :) I certain mach 1 owner also said i would loose to a pullied cobra, yet when i stomped his shit he didnt come back. Ha. There can only be so many excuses to be had right?

Oh shit, full weight lol

YEEEEPP Well.... Shoulda put that in the first time. Too late now. Be prepared for the mid to low 11 full bolt on times.

So many holes in automach's posts its pathetic. You have to go dig up videos from 2003 from photobucket LOL. how long did you search for those? welcome to the era of youtube.

Let me repost this one for you since you cant see to well..
you just need to give it up there are a lot of innocent mach's getting killed over your claims.

12.1@114 Boltons, Slciks, and a 75 shot

1.55' 60 ft. that car was launched to the moon so lets hear the excuses...i will wait
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQGstDeR3UU

12.75@113 Bolt ons, tune, street tires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdU1Ufim_M

12.56@113.47 Tune only, street tires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDbkUBGFUHQ


Still looks like the Mach is slower to me...

Not long at all it was my video :)

So you take a mach with a 75 shot running the same time as a bolt-on close to full weight as it gets mach and use that as your argument :huh:

Will someone please find a damn full bolt on Mach with, 4.10's or 4.30's to race this GTO so we can see the outcome for the 100th time lol

You just failed miserably. Not only did you post videos from some of the same mach's I did but you made up the mods and the weight taken out LOL so I will correct it for you in RED since you seem to like to make things up. And the yellow mach 1 in car says on his channel he removed the rear and front seats. Your contradicting yourself once again. Bolt on mach's arent 110-113 cars. Bolt on weight reduction Mach's are :corn:

First off you are wrong so stop typing bs and listen up here is everything on that car it ended up going 12.09 @ 113.5 and was not even a full bolt-on car with only 60lbs out which is as close to full weight as it gets. He did not remove the rear seats so stop lying to make yourself look good.

Thx alot man. I use a Triax shifter and clutch adjuster to take it easy on the syncros. I'm having to granny shift 2nd as it is, costing me a tad on the slip I'm sure. All else is stock. I do remove pass. seat & spare. 3540 lbs. w/ me in it.

Full SLP...1 5/8" LTs, catted X, powerflo catback.
JLT.........ram air (shaker functional)
Diablo.....the standard 93 octane tune.
4.10.......FRPP
DRs........275/40/17 ET Street Radials


Also another lie the guy says I had 4.10s in the video the car has 4.56s now so again stop with the bs

Short Shifter, K&N CAI, 4.10s(I now have 4.56), full exhaust, and suspension upgrades(k-member/coilovers, rear control arms, etc.)

Will someone please find a damn full bolt on Mach with, 4.10's or 4.30's to race this GTO so we can see the outcome for the 100th time lol

If he is willing to run at a track I may be able to find him a run

you may want to say full weight bolt on Mach otherwise automach will come in here saying 11.5@125 LOL

The gto running 11s is not fullweight so why should i be limited?

Whats the fastest bolt on record for a Mach 1? This is the fastest i found from 3 years ago within my forst 5 minutes of looking. There is faster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9v9QAGsRFo&lr=1

There is another @ 11.52.

Pretty solid times but I gurantee that car has atleast 200+lbs out of it and if we get into that then yes machs have went faster.

Oh shit, full weight lol

Car you posted was not full weight :secret:

So you guys have no problem with full bolt-on cars but the minute weight is taken out then it becomes what? A racecar? Weird. To me externally bolting something to a motor would be the same as unbolting something from the chassis. Don't both help the power to weight ratio?

Funny part is that most of these cars they post have weight out. hell I bet the ops car has 50lbs or so out of it . I know there are alot of heavy things that can be pulled out of a gto without you even noticing.

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Doesn't matter how you measure it, you're still comin up short!

These are all the common signs and symptoms of small penis/man syndrome.

http://thepicklematrix.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/professor-board.jpg

Doesn't matter how you measure it, you're still comin up short!

juice, lets have a battle of the 4 doors:drive:

These are all the common signs and symptoms of small penis/man syndrome.

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Doesn't matter how you measure it, you're still comin up short!

:wrongforu

If he is willing to run at a track I may be able to find him a run

Find someone and we can make a track visit...but we'll run at lebanon valley. Don't feel like driving much more than that.

hell I bet the ops car has 50lbs or so out of it . I know there are alot of heavy things that can be pulled out of a gto without you even noticing.

Jack/spare tire kit is out...we don't need no stinkin spare!

I have video that says otherwise. pcm thing kinda sounds like gto added something else. Yea a crap running eaton mach with a armless driver lost nothing to brag about there. Like I said go to m1r and I am sure you can find some runs. Car went 12.7-12.9 at 111-113 I could fill a page of machs that have went just as fast and traped just as high with boltons.

Holy hell you sound like a broken record. Just put down what you think average (stock and bolt on) Machs will run in your sig so you dont have to keep repeating yourself.

Were do you see anything about weight reduction? Let me get this straight. The car went fast, but you wont man up to that and instead say it has weight reduction? So again. Whats the fastest full weight mach 1? There are othersfaster than the video i posted so lets see it. I see alot of nitrous being used to get these mach's fast.

this is absolutely ridiculous.... on another note... Heres my junkyard iron 6.0 running at the track. 3630 raceweight... stock gear..too tight of a converter.

350whp.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t2pdT54so8&feature=youtu.be

Were do you see anything about weight reduction? Let me get this straight. The car went fast, but you wont man up to that and instead say it has weight reduction? So again. Whats the fastest full weight mach 1? There are othersfaster than the video i posted so lets see it. I see alot of nitrous being used to get these mach's fast.

Are you trying to tell me that is a fullweight 37xx gto? Also please post these faster bolton cars.

this is absolutely ridiculous.... on another note... Heres my junkyard iron 6.0 running at the track. 3630 raceweight... stock gear..too tight of a converter.

350whp.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t2pdT54so8&feature=youtu.be

What do auto goats weight stock?

What do auto goats weight stock?

3780. Mine was 3630 with me (150lbs) and an iron motor(+100lbs).

3780. Mine was 3630 with me (150lbs) and an iron motor(+100lbs).

So they weight 3780 stock?

The Mach 1 is slower then these cars stock vs stock and mod for mod....

LS2 GTO's
Any SRT8 300, Magnum, Charger, Jeep, Challenger
LS1 F-Bodys

Drivers Race
HR 350z's
2010+ R/T's
LS1 GTO's
G37's
E46 M3's

/thread

know your place on the food chain LOL

So they weight 3780 stock?

the autos yes. Sticks are 3725. 14 quarts of fluid in the autos.

I am 3700 with full interior and me in it at the track
400whp through 3.91 gears and a slipping clutch, mods in the sig (Completely stock longblock sans the FAST102)

When I ran a Cammed + Full bolt on + 4.10 geared Mach1 I was bone stock(320whp) and he put 1 length on me from a 60-120 roll.

Mach1's are not a match for a GTO.

I am 3700 with full interior and me in it at the track
400whp through 3.91 gears and a slipping clutch, mods in the sig (Completely stock longblock sans the FAST102)

When I ran a Cammed + Full bolt on + 4.10 geared Mach1 I was bone stock and he put 1 length on me from a 60-120 roll.

Mach1's are not a match for a GTO.

I was a mild bolt-on car made 298 and beat a h/c/i 6.0 gto from 40-120 by .5 a car gtos are no match for machs. See works both ways. :cheers:

the autos yes. Sticks are 3725. 14 quarts of fluid in the autos.

Oh ok jw since they want to say Tomcats bolton record car was fullweight :lol::lol:

I was a mild bolt-on car made 298 and beat a h/c/i 6.0 gto from 40-120 by .5 a car gtos are no match for machs. See works both ways. :cheers:

When was this? The twilight zone?

Low 11s car looses to mid 12s car in what universe?

When was this? The twilight zone?

Low 11s car looses to mid 12s car in what universe?

Diffrent argument for a diffrent day but it did happen :secret:

PS: not all h/c goats run low 11s lol

PS: not all h/c goats run low 11s lol

yep! some run 10's! lol

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205352

Honestly though, anyone running a decent heads and cam combo and getting traction should be solidly in the 11s. I couldn't break 110 with my mods just because I'm still on stock tires and suspension. That's the GTOs biggest failing right there.

yep! some run 10's! lol

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205352

Honestly though, anyone running a decent heads and cam combo and getting traction should be solidly in the 11s. I couldn't break 110 with my mods just because I'm still on stock tires and suspension. That's the GTOs biggest failing right there.

It ran about like number 17 on that list

So you guys have no problem with full bolt-on cars but the minute weight is taken out then it becomes what? A racecar? Weird. To me externally bolting something to a motor would be the same as unbolting something from the chassis. Don't both help the power to weight ratio?

I don't have any problem with weight reduction. What I don't like is these guys that gut there car to run a # and then reassemble it and still tell you it ran that #. If a car can't run the # complete, then it did'nt run the # to me. Any weight reduction I do is permanent other than swapping around wheels/tires.

Everything you need to know is here brah.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268849&highlight=bolt+record

Everything you need to know is here brah.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268849&highlight=bolt+record

Answer the question brah is it a fullweight car or not???

About as full weight as the 11 sec. full weight bolt-on Machs that run rampant across the country brah :lol:

About as full weight as the 11 sec. full weight bolt-on Machs that run rampant across the country brah :lol:

Don't help him crawfish

i still dont get the point..after 9 pages you guys are still arguing over cars you do not own. worry about what YOUR car does, not the 10's of thousands of other cars across the country. do you honestly think all these vids and shit mean something? people lie constantly about mods and times.

what others do in life doesnt justify what you do in yours..be your own person and set your own mark.

I think the only one arguing is Automach, the rest of us already know the GTO is faster lol

I think the only one arguing is Automach, the rest of us already know the GTO is faster lol

:nono: I am just calling the bs out. While your car might not run good others do.

:nono: I am just calling the bs out. While your car might not run good others do.

i wish u were closer, id rape you with a 4300lb caddi just for being a tool:drive:

:nono: I am just calling the bs out. While your car might not run good others do.

Why don't you find a bolt on GTO and show us how well your finely tuned Mach runs? You maybe correct in that my car doesn't run as well as it could, but we'll find out soon enough.

Not my GTO, but the same Mach1 I ran. Same essential results, same essential race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myefb5ZEJww&feature=g-all-a&list=PL9C5602AA4CB74BAD

i wish u were closer, id rape you with a 4300lb caddi just for being a tool:drive:

I'd like to take him down in my fwd Regal :)
Maybe I'll take you down instead :drive:

All gto's are slow. Automach said so. Denial is not a river in egypt brodude. Do you were affliction clothing and a flatbill by chance? Come at me bro. Bring your car with you.

I'd like to take him down in my fwd Regal :)
Maybe I'll take you down instead :drive:

ill be out tonight.. bring a camera

I'll help this thread reach 10 pages...

All gto's are slow. Automach said so. Denial is not a river in egypt brodude. Do you were affliction clothing and a flatbill by chance? Come at me bro. Bring your car with you.

Seriously :huh: Anyways just glad to see you don't know what you are talking about the car you posted had 400+lbs of weight reduction but yet you wanted me to post vids of fullweight machs :lol: machs have been 10.9-11.1 with boltons and weight reduction. No gto has ever came close to that :corn:

i wish u were closer, id rape you with a 4300lb caddi just for being a tool:drive:

I bet :rolleyes:

Why don't you find a bolt on GTO and show us how well your finely tuned Mach runs? You maybe correct in that my car doesn't run as well as it could, but we'll find out soon enough.

Already have :cheers:

Why don't you go post all this jazz on ijerkofftomachs.com, it's getting old here

Why don't you go post all this jazz on ijerkofftomachs.com, it's getting old here

I thnk you got that covered.

I believe not. Lol when my gto, was bolt ons, which would have less power than ops car I pulled my buddy's tuned geared exhausts shifter and clutch Mach. I don't understand what the debate is about.

I believe not. Lol when my gto, was bolt ons, which would have less power than ops car I pulled my buddy's tuned geared exhausts shifter and clutch Mach. I don't understand what the debate is about.

Hell I am just correcting the idiots :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiiKB7FT3do&feature=plcp

Yup, still applicable.

Hell I am just correcting the idiots :)

So you're correcting yourself then seeing as you're the only idiot here.

Seriously :huh: Anyways just glad to see you don't know what you are talking about the car you posted had 400+lbs of weight reduction but yet you wanted me to post vids of fullweight machs :lol: machs have been 10.9-11.1 with boltons and weight reduction. No gto has ever came close to that :corn:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jYOE3MbhCxo/UAliRP8LwbI/AAAAAAAAD1o/diyeu3vAeRc/s640/now-is-the-time-to-be-upset.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiiKB7FT3do&feature=plcp

Yup, still applicable.

Made up vid that is kinda funny but not as funny as you not answering the question because you knew the answer would contradict what you said :)

Seriously :huh: Anyways just glad to see you don't know what you are talking about the car you posted had 400+lbs of weight reduction but yet you wanted me to post vids of fullweight machs :lol: machs have been 10.9-11.1 with boltons and weight reduction. No gto has ever came close to that :corn:

10.9-11.1@105-110 LOL pitiful

So you're correcting yourself then seeing as you're the only idiot here.

If you can correct anything I said to be fact then go ahead give it a try.

Why is it that everytime a Bolt on Mach 1 is called out it either loses or no one steps up....oh wait I know...because they are nothing special in bolt on form and most mach owners know that.

10.9-11.1@105-110 LOL pitiful

119+ good try tho

Why is it that everytime a Bolt on Mach 1 is called out it either loses or no one steps up....oh wait I know...because they are nothing special in bolt on form and most mach owners know that.

I never said they where but neither is a goat :angel:

I never said they where but neither is a goat :angel:

Its still faster then a mach 1 no matter how you look at it. Stock its significantly faster and modded it widens the gap even more.

yep! some run 10's! lol

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205352

Honestly though, anyone running a decent heads and cam combo and getting traction should be solidly in the 11s. I couldn't break 110 with my mods just because I'm still on stock tires and suspension. That's the GTOs biggest failing right there.

lmfao and they say gtos are faster then 5 gen camaros ha, fastest auto camaro runs 11.7 @ 117 with bolt ons, 373s and 3200 stall on 20" drag radial full weight!!! and fast manual 11.6 @ 119 with bolt ons, bogarts all around and no seats, only drivers, and only cut a 1.71 60ft lol once again 5th gen are faster!!!!

All I can read into this thread is that it all depends on the car, driver, and the situation.

Those 5th Gens are getting faster!

Its still faster then a mach 1 no matter how you look at it. Stock its significantly faster and modded it widens the gap even more.

Yeah if it has the 6.0 under the hood ....

Its still faster then a mach 1 no matter how you look at it. Stock its significantly faster and modded it widens the gap even more.

but yet gtos are still half a sec slower in max effort set ups :lol:

but yet gtos are still half a sec slower in max effort set ups :lol:

Quit typing from the bushes and go lose to some stock GTOs.

Quit typing from the bushes and go lose to some stock GTOs.

Yea because that will happen :lol:

lmao at 10.9-11.1 sec bolt-on Mack1. AutoMach, yours will be lucky to get there with a full on build.

lmao at 10.9-11.1 sec bolt-on Mack1. AutoMach, yours will be lucky to get there with a full on build.

Oh so know it's not true lol

I have not answered becuase i cannot confirm or deny that it was a full weight car. Cant find any information on it. Unlike you, i dont make outrages statements and then fill everyone full of bullshit instead of admiting when im wrong. If you can prove that car isnt full weight post it up, i would like to know either way.

I used to think 2SS was the biggest troll in SRK, but now I know automach holds that crown.

I have not answered becuase i cannot confirm or deny that it was a full weight car. Cant find any information on it. Unlike you, i dont make outrages statements and then fill everyone full of bullshit instead of admiting when im wrong. If you can prove that car isnt full weight post it up, i would like to know either way.

Finally a answer. Yes if you want to know I don't mind giving the info. I do not make outrages statements becasue I can always back it with fact. Case in point.

Car was 3280 on the scale

Post 14

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390329&highlight=

Whats the fastest Bolt on Mach 1?

Automach1, you found some videos of other Machs but arent you the MachGod? Where is video of your car? Why not let your car talk for you rather than sit back and "correct" all of this misinformation? The OP won the race. /thread.

It's nice to come home from a long day at work to find another 3 pages of quality reading. Keep it up!

im really not understanding this... why have all of a sudden, the mach 1s risen from the ashes and claimed being these supreme cars? Did i miss something.

im really not understanding this... why have all of a sudden, the mach 1s risen from the ashes and claimed being these supreme cars? Did i miss something.

It's ok I missed it too, and I actually own one lol

im really not understanding this... why have all of a sudden, the mach 1s risen from the ashes and claimed being these supreme cars? Did i miss something.

You sit down and be quiet. Your 4v is no match for the mighty Mach 1 4v.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiiKB7FT3do&feature=plcp

Yup, still applicable.

LMFAO...that was F***ing hilarious.

lmfao and they say gtos are faster then 5 gen camaros ha, fastest auto camaro runs 11.7 @ 117 with bolt ons, 373s and 3200 stall on 20" drag radial full weight!!! and fast manual 11.6 @ 119 with bolt ons, bogarts all around and no seats, only drivers, and only cut a 1.71 60ft lol once again 5th gen are faster!!!!

Your mom's calling your name. I think she wants the computer back. Maybe we need to find an auto 5th gen to wax now to quiet you down...

It's nice to come home from a long day at work to find another 3 pages of quality reading. Keep it up!

LOL....GTO's and mach 1's are officially the most hated cars on the forum apparently.

lmfao and they say gtos are faster then 5 gen camaros ha, fastest auto camaro runs 11.7 @ 117 with bolt ons, 373s and 3200 stall on 20" drag radial full weight!!! and fast manual 11.6 @ 119 with bolt ons, bogarts all around and no seats, only drivers, and only cut a 1.71 60ft lol once again 5th gen are faster!!!!

Re read the things that have been posted and STFU you illiterate, inbread cocksucker. God damn your fucking stupid.

Lol. Hell of a read. Lmao

You sit down and be quiet. Your 4v is no match for the mighty Mach 1 4v.

it would appear not...

Lol. Hell of a read. Lmao

Be careful even with that 402 a bolt on mach shouldn't have a problem running you down. I mean they do run 10.9 with bolt ons....

Someone please help me understand automach's logic....

Here once again we have
Boltons, Gears, Slciks, and a 75 shot

12.1@114 with a 1.55' 60 ft...the launch gets no better then that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQGstDeR3UU

So automach claims 10.9-11.1 with bolt ons and weight reduction @119

so the car above would need to remove at least another 500lbs to run that with the 75 shot.....yet he claims they can do that with bolt ons and weight reduction only LMFAO im done...

Whats the fastest Bolt on Mach 1?

10.9x @ 123 he never backed it up tho 11.1 @ 120.xx consistent. 30xx raceweight 5spd car.

Automach1, you found some videos of other Machs but arent you the MachGod? Where is video of your car? Why not let your car talk for you rather than sit back and "correct" all of this misinformation? The OP won the race. /thread.

One of the cars I posted was my car :cool:

Someone please help me understand automach's logic....

Here once again we have
Boltons, Gears, Slciks, and a 75 shot

12.1@114 with a 1.55' 60 ft...the launch gets no better then that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQGstDeR3UU

So automach claims 10.9-11.1 with bolt ons and weight reduction @119

so the car above would need to remove at least another 500lbs to run that with the 75 shot.....yet he claims they can do that with bolt ons and weight reduction only LMFAO im done...

Showing your ignorance again I see :lol:

Gto- 450lbs of weight reduction boltons 11.5 @ 116
Mach- 500lbs of weight reduction boltons 11.1 @ 120

Pretty simple imo

Alright I've got 2 inches of hard penis. Whip em out guys...pretty sure I've got this dick measuring contest in the bag.

I get what everyones trying to say here...I really do. Fact of the matter is, you will probably never in your lifetime run into an 11 second bolt on mach 1 on the street, nor will you run into an 11 second bolt on GTO. Period. I like living in the real world, where majority of GTO's trap around 110-115 with bolt ons and the majority of mach 1's trap 108-111 with bolt ons. I don't know why this is such a massive and retarded argument.

Re read the things that have been posted and STFU you illiterate, inbread cocksucker. God damn your fucking stupid.

From the looks of this we can curse again w/o getting a bunch of this crap ************************

Alright I've got 2 inches of hard penis. Whip em out guys...pretty sure I've got this dick measuring contest in the bag.

I get what everyones trying to say here...I really do. Fact of the matter is, you will probably never in your lifetime run into an 11 second bolt on mach 1 on the street, nor will you run into an 11 second bolt on GTO. Period. I like living in the real world, where majority of GTO's trap around 108-113 with bolt ons and the majority of mach 1's trap 108-113 with bolt ons. I don't know why this is such a massive and retarded argument.

I agree

It's not that close auto. Here's the problem with comparing trapps at times. A mach gets most of it's speed in the first half of the track. LS cars accelerate out the back harder........alot harder....You should be able to agree on that too.

I agree

I was trying not to argue with you, but man you will not give up on the mach 1/GTO equality thing. My brother's car with 2 bolt ons goes 113. I see no problems in that car going 115 with a few more. Ju1ce's car went 114 with headers. GTO's trap higher than your typical mach 1. They do stock and they do mod for mod. Why does everybody else agree with this except you? Just get over it. Nobody said mach 1's are terrible cars or anything, but an almost 10 year old car with a 4.6 and 300HP just is not going to have the trap speed and power potential of a newer 400HP car with a bigger engine.

I jerk off to Mustangs and have a hardon for GTO owners. I will refute any point they make and often do so whilst being wrong.

I can misquote you too.

I was trying not to argue with you, but man you will not give up on the mach 1/GTO equality thing. My brother's car with 2 bolt ons goes 113. I see no problems in that car going 115 with a few more. Ju1ce's car went 114 with headers. GTO's trap higher than your typical mach 1. They do stock and they do mod for mod. Why does everybody else agree with this except you? Just get over it. Nobody said mach 1's are terrible cars or anything, but an almost 10 year old car with a 4.6 and 300HP just is not going to have the trap speed and power potential of a newer 400HP car with a bigger engine.

I am not going to argue with you agree to disagree. My car traped 112 in crap da with simple mods and no longtubes. And for the record machs have traped higher then gtos have in bolton form so the bigger engine argument is flawed.

It's not that close auto. Here's the problem with comparing trapps at times. A mach gets most of it's speed in the first half of the track. LS cars accelerate out the back harder........alot harder....You should be able to agree on that too.

Sure Don't

I can misquote you too.

cool ...

Until you post up some real numbers with your car your never gonna convince any of us.

I like mach's, but n/a they are not that great at anything but a solid holeshot. They kinda hang their tongue out after that.

Until you post up some real numbers with your car your never gonna convince any of us.

I like mach's, but n/a they are not that great at anything but a solid holeshot. They kinda hang their tongue out after that.

The time will come like I said it will be a 3300lb raceweight car with ported heads, 11:1 compression, 24x/23x cams. So by no means is it some radical racecar setup but I think it will be good for some decent times and traps.

Have you dyno'ed it?

Same day same track my GTO went 12.5 @ 111 with just drag radials vs a Mach-1 that did 13.2 @ 104 with just drag radials.

On the way home I slaughtered him by about 10 carlengths on the highway. He drove the hell out of that car.

Have you dyno'ed it?

Nope still waiting on converter :scream:

Just raced a Mach 1.

well do so but make sure that motherfucker can atleast shift an auto, not like majority of the 5th gen owners that let it downshift

[QUOTE=Cwarta;16603720]Re read the things that have been posted and STFU you illiterate, inbread cocksucker. God damn your fucking stupid.

look you cock smelling whore, dont make me fucking put an ass whooping on that slow as gto of yours, go beat something decent and come at me

GTO LS2 will beat a Mach stock to stock and with the same mods stick or auto n/a. Period.

I see all u faigs in the stands at the track day in and day out. Playing Judge Judy and giving the ruling on what car x does then all of the sudden all them run the same number. The majority of you with either A. really get into drag racing and understand it or B) continue to visit the track every so often and get on forums and bash other cars based on your sparatic outing to a local track. I wonder which category you all will fall in. lol.

-Mark

I see all u faigs in the stands at the track day in and day out. Playing Judge Judy and giving the ruling on what car x does then all of the sudden all them run the same number. The majority of you with either A. really get into drag racing and understand it or B) continue to visit the track every so often and get on forums and bash other cars based on your sparatic outing to a local track. I wonder which category you all will fall in. lol.

-Mark

Whoah! ^^ drunk post. Man am I hung over today. :(

Bwuahaha Bitemark to funny! Elmerohomo is in denial just like his bff brahguy. Do you guys play doctor together? Another load that should have been swallowed clearly.

Just raced a Mach 1.

How did it go, did you need to spray lol

There is another thread with vids :)

Whoah! ^^ drunk post. Man am I hung over today. :(

Lmao, I thought that post seemed slightly on the harsh side for you. Not that you were wrong...

How did it go, did you need to spray lol

Couldn't pass up the opportunity since the timing was too perfect :lol:

I see all u faigs in the stands at the track day in and day out. Playing Judge Judy and giving the ruling on what car x does then all of the sudden all them run the same number. The majority of you with either A. really get into drag racing and understand it or B) continue to visit the track every so often and get on forums and bash other cars based on your sparatic outing to a local track. I wonder which category you all will fall in. lol.

-Mark

I'm gonna be in B. A- is just not exciting enough.

Here is tge otger half of the Gto club. Answer my question.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205352

What?

GTO LS2 will beat a Mach stock to stock and with the same mods stick or auto n/a. Period.

Yea I agree but how about the ls1 Gto? :corn:

Bone stock @ 12.5xx. Shit thats Bolt on Mach 1 territory. Ha.

Inb4hesaysitsnottrue.

Ohp 12.65 my bad. So whats next are they fster than the new 5.0 to? Bwuahahaha. This is so stupid. I guess you cant fix stupid. Enjoy

Got a race coming up with a bolt on mach with DR',s and 4.10's, I offered him to run at the strip but he wasn't to confident then so he wanted the street lol
Stay tuned.

Got a race coming up with a bolt on mach with DR',s and 4.10's, I offered him to run at the strip but he wasn't to confident then so he wanted the street lol
Stay tuned.

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/in/grand/in-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-1366.gif

^^^ that was pretty sick... if i tried that id be on my face in a heartbeat