wichoms4

Hey guys I just finished my cam swap two days ago. I go to fire up my car n it did a loud pop n serges to try to keep idle. I give it 15% throttle to keep it alive n it keeps poping like a loud gun shot. One thing I found wrong when I took it apart one of my rocker arms trunion was broken all the bearings had came out. I also notice the valve tip had dings. Could vale be bent due the rocker arm truenion being broken? Can that be the cause of my backfire? Any input would help me out a lot. Thanks

wildcamaro

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Did you clean out every needle bearing and swap the rocker? If not I can see why your having problems...I would pull the heads and investigate, gaskets and bolts would be cheaper than grenading the motor...good luck bro

wichoms4

Yea drained all the oil n found em in there n yes rocker arm was replaced. How can I check if the valve is bent?

wichoms4

Anyone Else mite know what's the issue?

Whiteaw57

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sounds liek a cylinder isnt firing. be sure all your plug wires are in good and be sure the plugs are in tight. feel free to do a compression test also. might have one or two pushrods too long and its holding a valve open?

wichoms4

So I pulled my plugs out n the last two on the driver were just wet with a lot of gas n the others looked good. Also the ones that came out soaked were black n others had a gray look to em. What can be wrong? Can a tune fix it? It's a ms4 cam on the stock 98 tune.

Burken01

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You need to get it dyno tuned ASAP.

Eh did you keep the stock springs? All you did was a cam?

Lol what exactly did you do to your car? List every mod!

Then we can help

Undertow74

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You installed a MS4 on a other wise all stock car with no tune?.....and the rocker trunion broke on just one..??? sounds like you smashed a valve on your cylinder esp. since you said that the valve tips had some damage on them. you are gonna have to pull the heads and check all the valves. sounds like the PTV was not checked.

wildcamaro

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I didn't realize it was a stock tune! 98s have the worst PCM at that...I would pull heads and check for damage to the piston crown and then of that checks out get a tune...ms4 is a huge cam to try to run on a stock tune...Texas speed lists ms4 as a stock setup so I wouldn't thing your crashing valves but pulling the heads is the only way to know for sure...

wichoms4

I did cam n valve springs. Running ms4 cam with patriot gold extreme springs with tsp 7.400 push rods on a stock tune. When I pulled the far back two plugs on driver side they were all soaked in gas. Idk what it could be. I'm sure I didn't crush a valve. The valve that had the broken trunion looked ok n plug look normal. Seems like my it's not getting spark to the two far back cylinders on the driver side

wichoms4

all my mods:
pacesetter LT
TSP trueduals dyno max bullets
egr delete
ms4 cam
patriot gold dual extreme springs
tsp 7.400 push rods
lid
tsp replacement timing chain

like i said the far two plugs on the driver side were soaked with fuel when i pulled them. as for the valve that had the broken truenion, that spark plug checked out ok & that valve is on the passenger side head. would a tune fix the issue? i dont want to pull my heads out if thats not the problem. the car ran fine with no miss fires before the cam swap & me not knowing one of the truenion was broken.i did crank the car over with out the two main coil packs plug to make sure i was getting oil pressure, once i saw i had good oil pressure i went ahead n pluged the two main coil plugs & fired up the car, but all i got was a loud pop. the car will not idle without me giving 15% throttle. iv never ran into a problem like this on my previous cam swaps.

2xLS1

iTrader: (25)

I've seen this alot on 98's. Make sure your coil packs are not swapped left side and right side or front to back. They have to be correct on 98's and cannot be swapped. Check the color of the signal wire going to each coil to see if they are on the right cylinder.

1. PPL
3. LT BLU
5. BRN
7. DK GRN

2. RED
4. DK GRN/WHT
6. BRN/WHT
8. LT BLU/WHT

02anti_vnm

iTrader: (32)

Another thing could be you messed up a lifter. Especially of running stockers on that cam if you killed a lifter and it's not getting air that'd explain you unburnt gas and backfiring

Burken01

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yeah you cant put that big of a cam in and drive it right away with no tune, tow it to a shop and get a tune..

If you chewed any valve tips like you said, i would replace it because it could wipe out a rocker again..

derrickman05

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Why would the coil packs matter? I went from a 98 806 head to a ported 243 so had to add valve covers and brackets. My car is doing the same thing with a TV3 cam. I'm just curious because I swapped coils around on the driver side to get them to mount to the bracket and just unplugged them and ran the wires like they were before.

thunderstruck507

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Sounds like an issue with the coils or their harness to me.

hiltsy855

iTrader: (35)

Timing chain alignment dot-to-dot?

GA95DCMSS

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^I agree. The MS4 is one hell of a cam to try and run on a STOCK tune. Running a compression test is usually an easy way to tell if you bent a valve. If I were you, with a cam with that agressive of a ramp rate, I'd AT LEAST invest in the Comp Trunion upgrade while you're fiddling under the valve covers.

Burken01

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eeeeks, update!!?

lsx2000z28

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sounds like a shooting ducks problem i had a simple tr 55 ngk plug swap should help and has the caar been tuned? if so what does the map sensor reading??? at idle