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Old 08-30-2012, 07:13 AM
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I just rebuilt a 347ci NA 11.7:1 SCR and decided to install a 268/270 at .050" 108lsa cam

I first started off the car on E85 and went through attempting to drive it on E85, It would idle fine (sometimes) and not rev to well.
I would attempt to take off but it would "choke" and go lean. I would keep adding fuel when in SD to the VE table in the correct areas and it would still have that issue.

I am now attempting to run it off gas and am having the same issue.
I have a fuel pressure gauge on the car while its running and it reads steady at 58psi when the lean event would occur.

heres a log of whats happening and a tune file.

Was wondering if I can get some input on this.

Also running LS7 style MAF

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For something like that I wouldn't even consider running a MAF. Probly the cause of the issue your having.
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Is it through a stock style intake?
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ill try SD, Think it will be worth applying the 1 bar SD enhancement to enable RTT?
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Originally Posted by My6speedZ
Is it through a stock style intake?
It is a Halltech Super Bee MF103mm intake for a C6 Z06 corvette.

This is how its fitted in my car

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I'm not of any help, I did look at your log file. You can see the injector pulse go the wrong way & yet you've added a bunch to the MAF & VE tables.

When you tried working the MAF & VE did you fail each one? I really don't think that is what you have going with this.
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When i tuned for SD i put the "MAF fail high" to 0hz.
When i tuned for MAF i changed the value to 13,500 hz for the "MAF fail high"

Of course i have it in OL by disabling LTFTs and setting the "Closed loop enable ECT vs IAT" to 284*

I should note, I did a 98 to 2002 PCM swap and re-pinned the whole harness to do so. I did the segment swap for the fuel gauge to work also.
I did a continuity check from every pin at the pcm connector to the correct sensor/location
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Originally Posted by ctd
I'm not of any help, I did look at your log file. You can see the injector pulse go the wrong way & yet you've added a bunch to the MAF & VE tables.

When you tried working the MAF & VE did you fail each one? I really don't think that is what you have going with this.
I suppose i dont know how to fail the VE...
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Not a fan of failing the MAf. Have seen a few os's still adjust off it. I just unplug them.
We do not use HPT so can't help ya by reading the file. sorry.
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What is the diameter inlet on the filter for that, I was thinking about running a similar setup on my car once I delete the foam and get a tubular bumper support but making it out of aluminum and running it a bit lower to sit behind the opening in the bumper.

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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Not a fan of failing the MAf. Have seen a few os's still adjust off it. I just unplug them.
We do not use HPT so can't help ya by reading the file. sorry.
My IAT is integrated into the maf connection, I would rather just unplug it also but have no choice unless I do an IAT breakout.
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Originally Posted by My6speedZ
What is the diameter inlet on the filter for that, I was thinking about running a similar setup on my car once I delete the foam and get a tubular bumper support but making it out of aluminum and running it a bit lower to sit behind the opening in the bumper.

Sorry for the thread highjack
No worries, It should be a 4" inlet it uses
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Just curious did you watch the injector pulse as you tried to richen the VE & MAF tables?

It seems that it is going the opposite way you want....previous logs to compare?

Mr. Slowhawk is right about the MAF not failing, I've been there done that more than once with HPT. Zero the MAF table as well as the rest of the process.
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I would go to a seperate IAT sensor and go SD on that... Also, you gotta have some hella high IATs pulling hot air right off the radiator with that filter like that - I would change that for sure!
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Originally Posted by ctd
Just curious did you watch the injector pulse as you tried to richen the VE & MAF tables?

It seems that it is going the opposite way you want....previous logs to compare?

Mr. Slowhawk is right about the MAF not failing, I've been there done that more than once with HPT. Zero the MAF table as well as the rest of the process.
I did not pay too much attention to injector pulse when I richened the tables. It is all very sparatic.

I do not have any previous 93 octane logs. The previous log i have is when i ran it on E85.

I will zero my MAF table when i attempt it again later today.
Thanks for the tip
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Originally Posted by BLK02WS6
I would go to a seperate IAT sensor and go SD on that... Also, you gotta have some hella high IATs pulling hot air right off the radiator with that filter like that - I would change that for sure!
Looks like i will end up SD and will have to breakout the IAT.

IAT at idle isnt the best but it cools down really fast when slightly moving. I have made shrouds to direct air directly to the radiator/ intake setup and i have my puller fans pulling most of the hot air away from it.
not much different than a stock intake setup where it pulls air across the front of the radiator then into the intake.

heres another example of it "shrouded"

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I am now having a big issue when taking off. It doesnt make sense to me at all, the commanded AF is 14.68 throughout the sweep on the one take-off in the log and my injector pulse widths still increases.. It pegs lean (18:1) and stumbles to no power, like if it had TCS. It will idle ok and that is about it.

heres a new log and updated tune file. Now strickly running SD.
Thanks for all your input.
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Don't know if been ask.....
What size injectors?
Is the injector offset data correct?

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Originally Posted by importkiller_SS
My IAT is integrated into the maf connection, I would rather just unplug it also but have no choice unless I do an IAT breakout.
No need for any of that. Just cut the maf signal wire which is usually yellow. 2 seconds to do.
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Originally Posted by outcastdon
Don't know if been ask.....
What size injectors?
Is the injector offset data correct?
I am running Motoron 60lb injectors. The injector offset data i have been told was right. but suppose i can play between that and the stock values.

Originally Posted by Slowhawk
No need for any of that. Just cut the maf signal wire which is usually yellow. 2 seconds to do.
Ive been told to ensure i go into SD truely is to set "Hi Map Delta", "Low TPS Delta" and "Hi TPS Delta" to "0"

But if that is still giving me problems i can simply cut the wire.

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