Edmunds Track-Test - 2013 Dodge/SRT Viper GTS
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Edmunds Track-Test - 2013 Dodge/SRT Viper GTS
Spoiler alert: Whatever you call it, it's fast
After a disappointing 2011 and 2012, the Viper is back. It's got more power, less weight and, somehow, wider and more aggressive tires. It's a monster, and after driving the new Viper way back in September, we finally wrangled one of just a few on the planet (a pre-production unit, actually) for this World's First performance test of the 2013 Viper GTS.
While everyone else is either downsizing or adding tech features to increase efficiency (see the new Chevy LT1 in the 2014 C7 Chevy Corvette), SRT did not. Instead, it simply tweaked the formula of the 8.4-liter 10-cylinder and managed to crank out an additional 40 horsepower. SRT also looked to the scales to increase the performance of the new Viper. Thanks to a new chassis and carbon-fiber body panels, the Viper is down about 100 pounds from its predecessor, while having 50 percent more torsional rigidity.
You don't need to be an engineering whiz to know that this combination is going to produce a staggeringly quick car. To find out how quick, we took a brand-new 2013 SRT Viper GTS equipped with the Track pack (R-compound Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires, two-piece Stoptech brakes) out to our track.
Odometer: 2,097
Date: 12/11/2012
Driver: Josh Jacquot
Price: $122,390 (base GTS price)
Specifications
Drive Type: Front engine, rear-wheel drive
Transmission Type: Six-speed manual
Engine Type: Naturally aspirated port-injected V10
Displacement (cc/cu-in): 8,381/511.4
Redline (rpm): 6,250
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 640 @ 6,200
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 600 @ 5,000
Brake Type (front): 14-inch two-piece ventilated steel discs with four-piston fixed calipers
Brake Type (rear): 14-inch two-piece ventilated steel discs with four-piston fixed calipers
Suspension Type (front): Independent double wishbones, coil springs, stabilizer bar
Suspension Type (rear): Independent double-wishbones, coil springs, stabilizer bar
Tire Size (front): 295/30ZR18 (94Y)
Tire Size (rear): 355/30ZR19 (99Y)
Tire Brand: Pirelli
Tire Model: P Zero Corsa
Tire Type: Asymmetrical summer performance
As Tested Curb Weight (lb): 3,365
Test Results
Acceleration
0-30 (sec): 2.0 (2.3 w/ TC on)
0-45 (sec): 2.9 ( 3.2 w/ TC on)
0-60 (sec): 3.7 (4.1 w/ TC on)
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 3.4 (3.7 w/ TC on)
0-75 (sec): 5.1 (5.6 w/ TC on)
1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 11.5 @ 127.3 ( 11.8 @ 125.3 w/ TC on)
Braking
30-0 (ft): 25
60-0 (ft): 101
Handling
Slalom (mph): 73.7 (71.0 w/TC on)
Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 1.03 (1.03 w/TC on)
Db @ Idle: 58.0
Db @ Full Throttle: 86.2
Db @ 70-mph Cruise: 77.0
RPM @ 70: 2,000
Comments
Acceleration:
Launch control is fairly worthless on our low-grip test surface. Its 5,000-rpm base is too high and its closed-loop throttle manipulation (using front wheel speed) is both too slow and not effective enough. Basically, launch control resulted in a big burnout. I chose a 3,000-3,500 launch rpm and had the best luck with a little clutch slip rather than a dump. Shifter is awesome — much better than before. Never missed a gear.
Braking:
Solid pedal feel and good response. Consistent performance, but these (optional) P Zero Corsas are clearly less sticky than the optional Michelin Pilot Sport Cup rubber on the Z06 and ZR1.
Handling:
Skid pad: Heavy understeer attitude, but massive grip. More throttle equals more understeer. Won't respond to lift throttle, which is probably good in a car with limits this high. Steering is direct and immediate. Ran all handling tests in "Street" damping, as "Race" was too stiff and made the car nervous. Feels like this level of damping is really only appropriate at high speed.
Slalom:
Because of its limited visibility, the Viper is harder to place than some of its competition, which resulted in hitting more cones than normal. Still, its 73.7-mph speed here is telling. It's stable and relatively easy to control in rapid transitions. Doesn't feel like it wants to kill you anymore, but its limits still demand respect.
After a disappointing 2011 and 2012, the Viper is back. It's got more power, less weight and, somehow, wider and more aggressive tires. It's a monster, and after driving the new Viper way back in September, we finally wrangled one of just a few on the planet (a pre-production unit, actually) for this World's First performance test of the 2013 Viper GTS.
While everyone else is either downsizing or adding tech features to increase efficiency (see the new Chevy LT1 in the 2014 C7 Chevy Corvette), SRT did not. Instead, it simply tweaked the formula of the 8.4-liter 10-cylinder and managed to crank out an additional 40 horsepower. SRT also looked to the scales to increase the performance of the new Viper. Thanks to a new chassis and carbon-fiber body panels, the Viper is down about 100 pounds from its predecessor, while having 50 percent more torsional rigidity.
You don't need to be an engineering whiz to know that this combination is going to produce a staggeringly quick car. To find out how quick, we took a brand-new 2013 SRT Viper GTS equipped with the Track pack (R-compound Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires, two-piece Stoptech brakes) out to our track.
Odometer: 2,097
Date: 12/11/2012
Driver: Josh Jacquot
Price: $122,390 (base GTS price)
Specifications
Drive Type: Front engine, rear-wheel drive
Transmission Type: Six-speed manual
Engine Type: Naturally aspirated port-injected V10
Displacement (cc/cu-in): 8,381/511.4
Redline (rpm): 6,250
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 640 @ 6,200
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 600 @ 5,000
Brake Type (front): 14-inch two-piece ventilated steel discs with four-piston fixed calipers
Brake Type (rear): 14-inch two-piece ventilated steel discs with four-piston fixed calipers
Suspension Type (front): Independent double wishbones, coil springs, stabilizer bar
Suspension Type (rear): Independent double-wishbones, coil springs, stabilizer bar
Tire Size (front): 295/30ZR18 (94Y)
Tire Size (rear): 355/30ZR19 (99Y)
Tire Brand: Pirelli
Tire Model: P Zero Corsa
Tire Type: Asymmetrical summer performance
As Tested Curb Weight (lb): 3,365
Test Results
Acceleration
0-30 (sec): 2.0 (2.3 w/ TC on)
0-45 (sec): 2.9 ( 3.2 w/ TC on)
0-60 (sec): 3.7 (4.1 w/ TC on)
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 3.4 (3.7 w/ TC on)
0-75 (sec): 5.1 (5.6 w/ TC on)
1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 11.5 @ 127.3 ( 11.8 @ 125.3 w/ TC on)
Braking
30-0 (ft): 25
60-0 (ft): 101
Handling
Slalom (mph): 73.7 (71.0 w/TC on)
Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 1.03 (1.03 w/TC on)
Db @ Idle: 58.0
Db @ Full Throttle: 86.2
Db @ 70-mph Cruise: 77.0
RPM @ 70: 2,000
Comments
Acceleration:
Launch control is fairly worthless on our low-grip test surface. Its 5,000-rpm base is too high and its closed-loop throttle manipulation (using front wheel speed) is both too slow and not effective enough. Basically, launch control resulted in a big burnout. I chose a 3,000-3,500 launch rpm and had the best luck with a little clutch slip rather than a dump. Shifter is awesome — much better than before. Never missed a gear.
Braking:
Solid pedal feel and good response. Consistent performance, but these (optional) P Zero Corsas are clearly less sticky than the optional Michelin Pilot Sport Cup rubber on the Z06 and ZR1.
Handling:
Skid pad: Heavy understeer attitude, but massive grip. More throttle equals more understeer. Won't respond to lift throttle, which is probably good in a car with limits this high. Steering is direct and immediate. Ran all handling tests in "Street" damping, as "Race" was too stiff and made the car nervous. Feels like this level of damping is really only appropriate at high speed.
Slalom:
Because of its limited visibility, the Viper is harder to place than some of its competition, which resulted in hitting more cones than normal. Still, its 73.7-mph speed here is telling. It's stable and relatively easy to control in rapid transitions. Doesn't feel like it wants to kill you anymore, but its limits still demand respect.
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I will agree that the new interior is much nicer than the Z and I really like the new look of the Viper coupe. Having said that, I have yet to hear a Viper V10 that sounds good at any rpm. That and I am quite disappointed by SRT to not go higher tech with the powerplant. Same song and dance since the Viper began. Punch it out and make more power. Ford and GM are going to more tech, it's time for Dodge to follow, I would much rather chop 4" from the front end, and put in a FI 392 that sounds awesome and makes more power.
Just my $0.02
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vipers have always been sick as hell. they have really stepped it up this time.
as far as adding more technology, why?
they make 640hp with old technology which is CHEAPER, and EASIER to fix with less complication. kudos for them to sticking to an easy recipe and not adding 4 turbos 8 cams and all this pos afm ****.
as far as adding more technology, why?
they make 640hp with old technology which is CHEAPER, and EASIER to fix with less complication. kudos for them to sticking to an easy recipe and not adding 4 turbos 8 cams and all this pos afm ****.
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If you like 10 cylinders @ 8.4l making only 640 hp and sounding like @$$, then no problem - it's your opinion and I don't mind a bit!
As for tech, not always looking for more complicated technology. The LS7 isn't really more complicated than the traditional BBC chevy, but has far more potential. Again, IMO, I would rather see an FI 392, a shorter hood, and a great exhaust note (who pays 100K for a car that sounds so bad??). I'm NOT saying everyone should agree with me.
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Yes, it only makes 640HP, but there was only so much they could do with that powerplant...they put their time and energy into the body and interior, and fully admitted that they were about maxed out on what the current engine could do while still being able to pass the emissions standards currently in place and still maintain a warranty of any sort. They took the Gen IV motor, added a plastic intake manifold and a slightly larger cam (still the cam-in-cam VVT design though), and called it a day. I'm sure they will address the engine down the road, but it just wasn't in the cards for this go-around. You also have to take into account that they've never had stability/traction control on a Viper until now, so that had to be developed/tested/integrated...yet another cost that took away engine development money. Additionally, as long as Fiat owns Chrysler, I don't see them letting the Viper have more power than their top-of-the-line Ferrari.
Not making excuses, but that's what the SRT engineers told us when we asked. I can assure you, there are plenty of current Viper owners that were disappointed with only 640HP. They wanted at least 700.
When you look at the Gen V Viper's weight vs. HP, it is pretty much the same as the current ZR1, and it looks like the performance numbers match that.
Who knows what they'll do down the road...the V-10 is a big part of Viper heritage, and I just can't see them straying too far from the current recipe. They've batted around the idea of forced induction, but it never seems to make it past a wet dream. There's no replacement for displacement, that's for sure. All the bolt-ons + ported heads will probably net about the same results as the '08-'10 cars get - about 80-100 additional HP. Cam swaps aren't feasible with these...that's where the LS7s really come alive.
Sound? Always subjective...I was surprised at how much I liked it, even if it has been described as a tuba having sex with a vacuum cleaner. Different is what they were going for, and they certainly got it.
Not making excuses, but that's what the SRT engineers told us when we asked. I can assure you, there are plenty of current Viper owners that were disappointed with only 640HP. They wanted at least 700.
When you look at the Gen V Viper's weight vs. HP, it is pretty much the same as the current ZR1, and it looks like the performance numbers match that.
Who knows what they'll do down the road...the V-10 is a big part of Viper heritage, and I just can't see them straying too far from the current recipe. They've batted around the idea of forced induction, but it never seems to make it past a wet dream. There's no replacement for displacement, that's for sure. All the bolt-ons + ported heads will probably net about the same results as the '08-'10 cars get - about 80-100 additional HP. Cam swaps aren't feasible with these...that's where the LS7s really come alive.
Sound? Always subjective...I was surprised at how much I liked it, even if it has been described as a tuba having sex with a vacuum cleaner. Different is what they were going for, and they certainly got it.
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Viper has really outdone itself with this latest incarnation. Modern electronic safety systems, reduced weight, increased power, far better interior, and improved overall quality. I like that the design was an evolution and not some random design school students rendering. My only gripes about this vehicle are the exhaust note and that I can't afford one...NOW!
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Just think of the outcry if the Viper would have been released with a V8 instead of the v10!? It would be like releasing the Camaro of Corvette with a v6 instead of a v8.
A lot of the enthusiasts like that the viper is a V10 because its different, unique, special, and does sound pretty cool if the exhaust is done right.
Some people will never be happy. Of course the people bitching about it including myself will never be able to afford one.
A lot of the enthusiasts like that the viper is a V10 because its different, unique, special, and does sound pretty cool if the exhaust is done right.
Some people will never be happy. Of course the people bitching about it including myself will never be able to afford one.
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It all goes back to the being different thing the Viper has going for it. I'm not going to argue which is better sounding of the two, but I would rather have something that makes people snap their necks to see WTF just raped their ear holes.
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Not everyone likes the sound of the Viper V10...having heard different exhaust setups, none sound in any way like something I would want coming from my 100K+ car - but again, IMO.
Not all V10s sound bad either, Lambo Gallardo/Audi R8 V10s sound really great, better in person.
Not all V10s sound bad either, Lambo Gallardo/Audi R8 V10s sound really great, better in person.
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the reviews are dissapointing , hopefully some software tweaks and they will fix the lc . Maybe some better tires, and im surprised they dont have carbon ceramic brakes either. I think id take this over the zr1 if i had a choice just because you see vettes all the time , never vipers. Thats just me.
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the reviews are dissapointing , hopefully some software tweaks and they will fix the lc . Maybe some better tires, and im surprised they dont have carbon ceramic brakes either. I think id take this over the zr1 if i had a choice just because you see vettes all the time , never vipers. Thats just me.
I can't wait until UGR/Heffner/etc gets their hands on one of these
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Seriously though, each generation has become progressively less shitty sounding. Its still in the running for worst sounding "high performance" car.