94 Talon or Notchback 5.0
08-27-2004, 06:12 PM
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94 Talon or Notchback 5.0 I didnt now where to post this so i figured this would be the place. Ok my friend wants to trade his 89 Thunderbird turbo coupe in for either a Talon Tsi with for wheel drive or a notchback fox body. He asked me what I thought and i said get the 5.0. He asked me to post this up to get everyone's opinion on which is the best bang for the buck. just tell me what yall think is faster in the longrun
08-27-2004, 06:38 PM
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if he wants something fast with few mods. id say the notchback my friend has one it weighs on 2300lbs 
. he could throw a 351 with sn SC and destroy most everything on the road 
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. he could throw a 351 with sn SC and destroy most everything on the road . 
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08-27-2004, 09:39 PM
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5.0 I mean seriously, the damned thing is a legend for what it can do. Mods are dirt cheap, body weight is non-exsistant, and it dosnt have drive train loss like the AWD talon will.
08-27-2004, 09:45 PM
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^ That, and the notchback 5.0 is a damn solid piece of machinery! On top of everything else, the DSM will make the Ford look like a Toyota in terms of reliability. There are some DSM's that have stayed reliable, but they're just damn rare.
Like everyone else said, the car is ridiculously light for a muscle car, structurally solid as hell, has an assload of potential, and the mods for it are just bargain-bin priced.
After having about 7 friends who are DSM fans/owners and hearing all their stories and all their friends'/forum friends' stories, I can't stress enough how much your buddy should go with the 5.0.
BUT...... if your friend does decide to get a DSM (make sure it's a turbo for the love of God, which obviously sounds like he is), atleast he sounds like he's going with the 1st Gens ('90-'94). 1st Gens = lighter weight, bigger turbo, doesn't have the girly 2nd Gen looks, and from what I've seen, has much more potential than the 2nd Gens. But the more you mod a DSM motor, the shorter you set the "ticking time bomb" timer to go off.
Like everyone else said, the car is ridiculously light for a muscle car, structurally solid as hell, has an assload of potential, and the mods for it are just bargain-bin priced.
After having about 7 friends who are DSM fans/owners and hearing all their stories and all their friends'/forum friends' stories, I can't stress enough how much your buddy should go with the 5.0.
BUT...... if your friend does decide to get a DSM (make sure it's a turbo for the love of God, which obviously sounds like he is), atleast he sounds like he's going with the 1st Gens ('90-'94). 1st Gens = lighter weight, bigger turbo, doesn't have the girly 2nd Gen looks, and from what I've seen, has much more potential than the 2nd Gens. But the more you mod a DSM motor, the shorter you set the "ticking time bomb" timer to go off.
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08-27-2004, 10:05 PM
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Obvious answer is the 5.0. Those cars are ridiculously easy to modify. Now you can make a DSM really fast no question. But it is alot easier, cheaper and more reliable to go 5.0.
08-27-2004, 10:25 PM
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5.0 - rear wheel drive, light weight, muscle car sound and legend, massive power potential, reliablility, CHEAP to make AMAZING
DSM - AWD, Turbo, light weight, on the cheap side to make fast, questionable reliability, motors go pop under heavy load
DSM - AWD, Turbo, light weight, on the cheap side to make fast, questionable reliability, motors go pop under heavy load
08-28-2004, 12:00 AM
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The 5.0 is relativly cheap to mod. It is obviosly no LS1 and its highly expensive prices, but most of the basics are no more than your average LT1 (except for forced induction..blowers go for about 1500 now adays )
Tell him to get Black. Black 5.0s are the best.
-Todd
)Tell him to get Black. Black 5.0s are the best.
-Todd
08-28-2004, 05:09 AM
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I'm going to go against the grain a bit here.
Coming from a guy who owned a mustang with a 5.0 (1994 SN95, not Foxbody), I say go with the 1g DSM if your friend is looking to build a street car that sees occasional strip duty, go with the 5.0 notch if he is looking for a strip car that will see occasional street duty.
The 5.0 responds to mods just as well or better than any other engine on the planet, BUT people are seriously overstating it's power potential on stock internals. The 2-bolt main block craps out around 500hp, and even with a main stud girdle it isn't a good bet for it to survive beyond 650hp. The stock pistons in pre-93 5.0s are forged so they will stand up to the boost needed to get 500hp- 650hp, but the connecting rods might not do so well. Assuming you're not aiming for big, boosted hp, you're still going to need heads, cam, and full exhaust to make even LS1 level power out of a 5.0, and that means your friend is facing at least~$2k in parts alone, assuming he's buying CHEAP heads (good heads are $2k by themselves) and bargain bin headers/H-pipe. You would be amazed at how far that $2k will get you on a DSM.
The DSM's AWD will be killer on the street. The 4-bolt (1992+) block, which is half the size and thus taking twice as much stress as the 5.0 block to make the same hp, is still good up to an amazing 800hp or so, although as someone pointed out, the other internals will give up the fight before that. 300rwhp is a few hundred $$ away. The same $2k that got you ~300rwhp on the 5.0 fox is good for nearly 400rwhp on the 1g DSM (Again, bargain basement and used parts).
Before I get based by the American V8 crew, you have to admit that for a daily driver street car (which is what I think we're looking at here), the DSM is the better option for this guy's friend. While they're legendary at the strip, the 5.0 foxes are not the best handling cars in the world, nor do they have the best street manners. If he wants an all out drag car, well DUH the notch is better... but I don't get the feeling that's what he's looking for.
Coming from a guy who owned a mustang with a 5.0 (1994 SN95, not Foxbody), I say go with the 1g DSM if your friend is looking to build a street car that sees occasional strip duty, go with the 5.0 notch if he is looking for a strip car that will see occasional street duty.
The 5.0 responds to mods just as well or better than any other engine on the planet, BUT people are seriously overstating it's power potential on stock internals. The 2-bolt main block craps out around 500hp, and even with a main stud girdle it isn't a good bet for it to survive beyond 650hp. The stock pistons in pre-93 5.0s are forged so they will stand up to the boost needed to get 500hp- 650hp, but the connecting rods might not do so well. Assuming you're not aiming for big, boosted hp, you're still going to need heads, cam, and full exhaust to make even LS1 level power out of a 5.0, and that means your friend is facing at least~$2k in parts alone, assuming he's buying CHEAP heads (good heads are $2k by themselves) and bargain bin headers/H-pipe. You would be amazed at how far that $2k will get you on a DSM.
The DSM's AWD will be killer on the street. The 4-bolt (1992+) block, which is half the size and thus taking twice as much stress as the 5.0 block to make the same hp, is still good up to an amazing 800hp or so, although as someone pointed out, the other internals will give up the fight before that. 300rwhp is a few hundred $$ away. The same $2k that got you ~300rwhp on the 5.0 fox is good for nearly 400rwhp on the 1g DSM (Again, bargain basement and used parts).
Before I get based by the American V8 crew, you have to admit that for a daily driver street car (which is what I think we're looking at here), the DSM is the better option for this guy's friend. While they're legendary at the strip, the 5.0 foxes are not the best handling cars in the world, nor do they have the best street manners. If he wants an all out drag car, well DUH the notch is better... but I don't get the feeling that's what he's looking for.
08-28-2004, 09:50 AM
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go notchback i now a guy that had a awd dsm and he told me out of his own mouth that car was a big piece of **** he kept having to tune that thing till one day he blow it up. im not nocking awd dsm's some of them can be fast but you could make a cheap turbo kit for the notchback and racing slicks and wax a dsm with the same mods. 
08-28-2004, 03:40 PM
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funny thing about DSM's and being "jap crap". they're built (to this day i believe) in Normal, Illinois. 
-Todd