Response to the "Letter to the Prez" Bullshit
09-09-2005, 08:42 AM
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Response to the "Letter to the Prez" Bullshit In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work:
The chain of responsiblity for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is:
1. The Mayor
2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor)
3. The Governor
4. The Head of Homeland Security
5. The President
What did each do?
1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal. (As an aside, the buses were ruined because he didn't deploy them, carrying refugees out to higher ground!)
2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much for political appointees)
3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit.
4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be ready when the Governor called for them
5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance, should the Governor decide to use it.
Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt (democrat) government going all the way back to Huey Long.
Funds for disaster protection and relief have been flowing into this city for decades, and where has it gone, but into the pockets of the politicos and their friends.
Decades of socialist government in New Orleans has sapped all self reliance from the community, and made them dependent upon government for every little thing.
Political correctness and a lack of will to fight crime have created the single most corrupt police force in the country, and has permitted gang violence to flourish.
The sad thing is that there are many poor folks who have suffered and died needlessly because those that they voted into office failed them.
For those who missed item 5 (where the President's level of accountability is discussed), it is made more clear in a New Orleans Times-Picayune article dated August 28:
NEW ORLEANS (AP) - In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, a mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin.
Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome.
The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights.
Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding. (emphasis mine)
The ball was placed in Mayor Nagin's court to carry out the evacuation order. With a 5-day heads-up, he had the authority to use any and all services to evacuate all residents from the city, as documented in a city emergency preparedness plan. By waiting until the last minute, and failing to make full use of resources available within city limits, Nagin and his administration flubbed up.
Mayor Nagin and his emergency sidekick Terry Ebbert have displayed lethal, mind boggling incompetence before, during and after Katrina.
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As for Mayor Nagin, he and his profile in pathetic leadership police chief should resign as well. That city's government is incompetent from one end to the other. The people of New Orleans deserve better than this crowd of clowns is capable of giving them.
If you're keeping track, these ***** let 569 buses that could have carried 33,350 people out of New Orleans-in one trip-get ruined in the floods. Whatever plan these guys had, it was a dud. Or it probably would have been if they'd bothered to follow it.
As for all the race-baiting rhetoric and Bush-bashing coming from prominent blacks on the left, don't expect Ray Nagin to be called out on the carpet for falling short. You want to know why? Here's why:
It's more convenient to blame a white president for what went wrong than to hold a black mayor and his administration accountable for gross negligence and failing to fully carry out an established emergency preparedness plan.
To hold Nagin and his administration accountable for dropping the ball amounts to letting loose the shouts and cries of "Racism!". It's sad, it's wrong, but it's standard operating procedure for the media and left-wing black leadership.
Mark my words: you will not hear a word of criticism from Jesse Jackson Sr., Randall Robinson, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP, or Kanye West being directed toward Clarence Ray Nagin Jr. Why? Because he is just another black politician instead of a responsible elected official who happens to be black. In the mindset of more-blacker-than-thou blacks, black politicians who are on their side can do no wrong.
The chain of responsiblity for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is:
1. The Mayor
2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor)
3. The Governor
4. The Head of Homeland Security
5. The President
What did each do?
1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal. (As an aside, the buses were ruined because he didn't deploy them, carrying refugees out to higher ground!)
2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much for political appointees)
3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit.
4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be ready when the Governor called for them
5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance, should the Governor decide to use it.
Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt (democrat) government going all the way back to Huey Long.
Funds for disaster protection and relief have been flowing into this city for decades, and where has it gone, but into the pockets of the politicos and their friends.
Decades of socialist government in New Orleans has sapped all self reliance from the community, and made them dependent upon government for every little thing.
Political correctness and a lack of will to fight crime have created the single most corrupt police force in the country, and has permitted gang violence to flourish.
The sad thing is that there are many poor folks who have suffered and died needlessly because those that they voted into office failed them.
For those who missed item 5 (where the President's level of accountability is discussed), it is made more clear in a New Orleans Times-Picayune article dated August 28:
NEW ORLEANS (AP) - In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, a mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin.
Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome.
The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights.
Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding. (emphasis mine)
The ball was placed in Mayor Nagin's court to carry out the evacuation order. With a 5-day heads-up, he had the authority to use any and all services to evacuate all residents from the city, as documented in a city emergency preparedness plan. By waiting until the last minute, and failing to make full use of resources available within city limits, Nagin and his administration flubbed up.
Mayor Nagin and his emergency sidekick Terry Ebbert have displayed lethal, mind boggling incompetence before, during and after Katrina.
[...]
As for Mayor Nagin, he and his profile in pathetic leadership police chief should resign as well. That city's government is incompetent from one end to the other. The people of New Orleans deserve better than this crowd of clowns is capable of giving them.
If you're keeping track, these ***** let 569 buses that could have carried 33,350 people out of New Orleans-in one trip-get ruined in the floods. Whatever plan these guys had, it was a dud. Or it probably would have been if they'd bothered to follow it.
As for all the race-baiting rhetoric and Bush-bashing coming from prominent blacks on the left, don't expect Ray Nagin to be called out on the carpet for falling short. You want to know why? Here's why:
It's more convenient to blame a white president for what went wrong than to hold a black mayor and his administration accountable for gross negligence and failing to fully carry out an established emergency preparedness plan.
To hold Nagin and his administration accountable for dropping the ball amounts to letting loose the shouts and cries of "Racism!". It's sad, it's wrong, but it's standard operating procedure for the media and left-wing black leadership.
Mark my words: you will not hear a word of criticism from Jesse Jackson Sr., Randall Robinson, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP, or Kanye West being directed toward Clarence Ray Nagin Jr. Why? Because he is just another black politician instead of a responsible elected official who happens to be black. In the mindset of more-blacker-than-thou blacks, black politicians who are on their side can do no wrong.
09-09-2005, 10:30 AM
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I heard that exact info on the radio this morning. Everybody dropped the ball.
And while it's not the president's responsibility, you'd think he'd still want to be involved in the effort to rescue and repair- NO needed a leader and they obviously didn't have one in the mayor, the governor, or FEMA.
Again, I'm not blaming him(there are many others more guilty and he had no official responsibility in it), but I think if he had been worried about a reelection, he would have been there- it would have been great for the morale of the people who felt they'd been forgotten.
And while it's not the president's responsibility, you'd think he'd still want to be involved in the effort to rescue and repair- NO needed a leader and they obviously didn't have one in the mayor, the governor, or FEMA.
Again, I'm not blaming him(there are many others more guilty and he had no official responsibility in it), but I think if he had been worried about a reelection, he would have been there- it would have been great for the morale of the people who felt they'd been forgotten.
09-09-2005, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jmh21
And while it's not the president's responsibility, you'd think he'd still want to be involved in the effort to rescue and repair- NO needed a leader and they obviously didn't have one in the mayor, the governor, or FEMA.
Again, I'm not blaming him(there are many others more guilty and he had no official responsibility in it), but I think if he had been worried about a reelection, he would have been there- it would have been great for the morale of the people who felt they'd been forgotten.
Again, I'm not blaming him(there are many others more guilty and he had no official responsibility in it), but I think if he had been worried about a reelection, he would have been there- it would have been great for the morale of the people who felt they'd been forgotten.
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Originally Posted by Texas TransAm
Everybody is so quick to jump on Bush...it really pisses me off!
We have goten some kids in my hs from new orleans everylast one of them was trying to blame this on bush and the fact nobody helped them till days late.
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I think this was a big **** storm, their is plenty of blame to go around but their is no need to toss it all on the federal government. Everything failed in New Orleans, the pumps, the levees, and the leadership of the local government. I agree with AGRV8D that all the racist stuff are nothing but a joke at best and because of the racism the mayor of New Orleans is getting very little blame put on his shoulders.
09-13-2005, 05:03 PM
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u should add the peopleof Louisianna first on this list. you have to be able to take care of yourself, if you didnt then its your fault!!
i feel sorry for most of the people down there but if your dumb enough to let something slap you in the face when you saw it coming.......
sometimes you gotta fight for yourself and take responsibility for your own actions.
i feel sorry for most of the people down there but if your dumb enough to let something slap you in the face when you saw it coming.......
sometimes you gotta fight for yourself and take responsibility for your own actions.
09-13-2005, 05:45 PM
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This is a post from Bill Weiler, freelance journalist, over in Merritt
Is, FL, who has been researching what went on before the storm hit. These
are the author's comments - I find them very interesting.
Politics over Duty
I think all of Mayor Nagin's pomp and posturing is going to bite him
hard in the near future as the lies and distortions of his interviews are
coming to light.
On Friday night before the storm hit, Max Mayfield of the National
Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of calling Mayor Nagin and
Governor Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of
NO and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after the NOAA
buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68' waves before it was destroyed.
President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his
advisors and ! administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for
a state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the Posse
Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act).
Just before midnightFriday evening the President called Governor Blanco and pleaded with her to sign the request papers so the federal government and the military could
legally begin mobilization and call up. He was told that they didn't think it
necessary for the federal government to be involved yet.
After the President's final call to the governor she held meetings with her staff to discuss the political ramifications of bringing federal forces. It was decided that if they
allowed federal assistance it would make it look as if they had failed so it
was agreed upon that the feds would not be invited in.
Saturday before the storm hit the President again called Gov. Blanco
and Mayor Nagin requesting they please sign the papers requesting federal
assistance, that they declare the state an emergency area, and begin
mandatory evacuation.
After a personal plea from the President, Nagin agreed to
order an evacuation, but it would not be a full mandatory evacuation, and the
governor still refused to sign the papers requesting and authorizing federal action.
In frustration the President declared the area a national disaster area
before the state of Louisiana did so he could legally begin some advanced
preparations.
Rumor has it that the President's legal advisers were looking into the
ramifications of using the insurgency act to bypass the Constitutional
requirement that a state request federal aid before the federal government can
move into state with troops - but that had not been done since 1906 and the
Constitutionality of it was called into question to use before the
disaster.
Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to NO for levee
construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina
and support the gambling ships. Toss in the investigation that will look into why the
emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for funding and
published on the city's website was never implemented and in fact may
have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal funding as we now
learn that the organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or
coordinating into any planning - though the document implies that they were.
The suffering people of NO need to be asking some hard questions as do
we all, but they better start with why Blanco refused to even sign the
multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday which further
delayed the legal deployment of National Gu! ard from adjoining states.
Or maybe ask why Nagin keeps harping that the President should have commandeered 500 Greyhound busses to help him when according to his own emergency plan and documents he claimed to have over 500 busses at his disposal to use between the local school busses and the city transportation busses - but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them.
This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but
been destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of thousands
more suffering, but it's certainly not a time for people to be pointing
fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local corruption and
incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can start their
lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the mistakes to avoid them in the
future.
Is, FL, who has been researching what went on before the storm hit. These
are the author's comments - I find them very interesting.
Politics over Duty
I think all of Mayor Nagin's pomp and posturing is going to bite him
hard in the near future as the lies and distortions of his interviews are
coming to light.
On Friday night before the storm hit, Max Mayfield of the National
Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of calling Mayor Nagin and
Governor Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of
NO and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after the NOAA
buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68' waves before it was destroyed.
President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his
advisors and ! administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for
a state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the Posse
Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act).
Just before midnightFriday evening the President called Governor Blanco and pleaded with her to sign the request papers so the federal government and the military could
legally begin mobilization and call up. He was told that they didn't think it
necessary for the federal government to be involved yet.
After the President's final call to the governor she held meetings with her staff to discuss the political ramifications of bringing federal forces. It was decided that if they
allowed federal assistance it would make it look as if they had failed so it
was agreed upon that the feds would not be invited in.
Saturday before the storm hit the President again called Gov. Blanco
and Mayor Nagin requesting they please sign the papers requesting federal
assistance, that they declare the state an emergency area, and begin
mandatory evacuation.
After a personal plea from the President, Nagin agreed to
order an evacuation, but it would not be a full mandatory evacuation, and the
governor still refused to sign the papers requesting and authorizing federal action.
In frustration the President declared the area a national disaster area
before the state of Louisiana did so he could legally begin some advanced
preparations.
Rumor has it that the President's legal advisers were looking into the
ramifications of using the insurgency act to bypass the Constitutional
requirement that a state request federal aid before the federal government can
move into state with troops - but that had not been done since 1906 and the
Constitutionality of it was called into question to use before the
disaster.
Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to NO for levee
construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina
and support the gambling ships. Toss in the investigation that will look into why the
emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for funding and
published on the city's website was never implemented and in fact may
have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal funding as we now
learn that the organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or
coordinating into any planning - though the document implies that they were.
The suffering people of NO need to be asking some hard questions as do
we all, but they better start with why Blanco refused to even sign the
multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday which further
delayed the legal deployment of National Gu! ard from adjoining states.
Or maybe ask why Nagin keeps harping that the President should have commandeered 500 Greyhound busses to help him when according to his own emergency plan and documents he claimed to have over 500 busses at his disposal to use between the local school busses and the city transportation busses - but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them.
This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but
been destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of thousands
more suffering, but it's certainly not a time for people to be pointing
fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local corruption and
incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can start their
lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the mistakes to avoid them in the
future.
