Best Stealth or small(ish) cam for 01 Z06?
10-04-2005, 07:45 PM
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Best Stealth or small(ish) cam for 01 Z06? Recently acquired an 01 Z06 thats bone stock. I LOVE the way this car is stock, so smooth and comfortable and quiet yet hauls *** too. But I of course need to add a little more power & want to add intake, LT's w/cats & a cam. But my goal is to maintain the awesome driveability the car has now. Would like to see at least 400rwhp though. if I can maintain emissions legality that would be cool too. You can build a car super fast, but there's just something to be said about a car that is smooth, quiet, comfortable, easy to drive and still hauls ***...which is why I bought the Z06 in the first place.
Anyhow, basically looking for something that won't be a waste of time and money b/c gains will be too little over the stock Z06 cam, yet can still maintain 95% of the driveability of the stocker...again, hoping to hit around 400rwhp but maintain the awesome manners the vette has.
Anyhow, basically looking for something that won't be a waste of time and money b/c gains will be too little over the stock Z06 cam, yet can still maintain 95% of the driveability of the stocker...again, hoping to hit around 400rwhp but maintain the awesome manners the vette has.
10-04-2005, 09:02 PM
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Thunder's Cheater cam (216/230) will do the trick. A lot of of top end gain, good driving manners, and low overlap to pass smog tests. Another cam that would meet all 3 criteria is a 219/226 115 +3 on an LSK intake lobe and XE-R exhaust lobe. Both cams will be pretty easy to tune for good manners.
10-04-2005, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by KB99WS6
Recently acquired an 01 Z06 thats bone stock. I LOVE the way this car is stock, so smooth and comfortable and quiet yet hauls *** too. But I of course need to add a little more power & want to add intake, LT's w/cats & a cam. But my goal is to maintain the awesome driveability the car has now. Would like to see at least 400rwhp though. if I can maintain emissions legality that would be cool too. You can build a car super fast, but there's just something to be said about a car that is smooth, quiet, comfortable, easy to drive and still hauls ***...which is why I bought the Z06 in the first place.
Anyhow, basically looking for something that won't be a waste of time and money b/c gains will be too little over the stock Z06 cam, yet can still maintain 95% of the driveability of the stocker...again, hoping to hit around 400rwhp but maintain the awesome manners the vette has.
Anyhow, basically looking for something that won't be a waste of time and money b/c gains will be too little over the stock Z06 cam, yet can still maintain 95% of the driveability of the stocker...again, hoping to hit around 400rwhp but maintain the awesome manners the vette has.
10-05-2005, 01:51 AM
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Here is a vid of my dyno remember I have a VERY aggressive exaust with flowmaster 1 chambers and longtubes (with high flow cats) It put 401rwhp and impressive torque curve with a peak at 387 to the wheels with the CATS on and little tuning. It drives Just like a stock Z on steriods. The only real difference in the powerband is there is more down low and alot more up top.
I was going to do this setup without the headers and gut the pup cats but I got my LG's with new Random techs for under $800 I couldn't pass that up
Bobby
http://media.putfile.com/dynotest
Hot track day with non existant traction (excuse my little cousins commentary
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http://video.ls1tech.com/player.aspx...8-215CC0D9E5D5
I was going to do this setup without the headers and gut the pup cats but I got my LG's with new Random techs for under $800 I couldn't pass that up
Bobby
http://media.putfile.com/dynotest
Hot track day with non existant traction (excuse my little cousins commentary
)http://video.ls1tech.com/player.aspx...8-215CC0D9E5D5
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10-05-2005, 01:57 AM
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Forgot about this one, this is the car idling and me screwing with my new camera. This without CATS so its quite a bit louder.
http://video.ls1tech.com/Player.aspx...EF8F&kw=47&p=2
I think if I was going to do any other cam it would be the F13 hands down, but the Stealth II is exactly what I wanted, I may order one for the Z28 too....
http://video.ls1tech.com/Player.aspx...EF8F&kw=47&p=2
I think if I was going to do any other cam it would be the F13 hands down, but the Stealth II is exactly what I wanted, I may order one for the Z28 too....
10-05-2005, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Ragtop 99
Thunder's Cheater cam (216/230) will do the trick. A lot of of top end gain, good driving manners, and low overlap to pass smog tests. Another cam that would meet all 3 criteria is a 219/226 115 +3 on an LSK intake lobe and XE-R exhaust lobe. Both cams will be pretty easy to tune for good manners.
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10-05-2005, 09:30 AM
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93TAWicked1,
That cam sounds pretty good. 400rwhp is what I was hoping for. Sounds like it really performs for such a small cam! I bet the car is a rocket. I know there's always something faster, but generally speaking 400rwhp in a 3100lb Z06 is a rocket.
Yeah I had a Futral F11, but sold it with my WS6. I still debate about getting another one, but I really think I want something really stealthy that sounds and drives just like stock and also very easy on valvetrain.
I'd would be cool to have the car sound & drive near stock & have reliability of a stocker yet really haul ***
That cam sounds pretty good. 400rwhp is what I was hoping for. Sounds like it really performs for such a small cam! I bet the car is a rocket. I know there's always something faster, but generally speaking 400rwhp in a 3100lb Z06 is a rocket.
Yeah I had a Futral F11, but sold it with my WS6. I still debate about getting another one, but I really think I want something really stealthy that sounds and drives just like stock and also very easy on valvetrain.
I'd would be cool to have the car sound & drive near stock & have reliability of a stocker yet really haul ***
10-05-2005, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by KB99WS6
The only thing I don't like about this cam is that it seems to be catered to a car with stock manifolds and I am going to be adding LT's so I figure there are probably better choices for cars with a free flowing exhaust.
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10-05-2005, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
I made 433 rwhp with Kooks headers with catted y-pipe running the CheaTR cam.
Thats certainly not with stock heads thoug, right? Please tell me more about how this car idles and runs relative to the stock cam (well i guess you can't compare to me since we have somehwat different engines, but roundabout). Power sounds great but is it almost undetectable to tell there's a cam in there? Also, what kind of lift? Is it easy on valvetrain?
10-05-2005, 11:50 AM
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Hey kev, congrats on the serious upgrade there man. Exactly how docile do you want to keep your idle? Totally undetectable? You can probably open up your choices past the cheaTR cam and its kin as long as you keep the lsa relatively high, and the cam dosnt have too much overlap to it. I feel that since the cheaTR cam was designed with stock manifolds in mind, since youre moving up to LTs, you can probably run a more traditional cam and make a little more power. Although the cheaTR cam may well produce plenty of power anyway...
10-05-2005, 02:48 PM
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Hey Tony, thanks! Yeah I am pretty excited about it. Just drove it back from Atlanta this past weekend. My WS6 was picked up this Sunday by the new owner, so it was perfect timing pretty much. Bought it from the original owner (43yr old guy) & it has 25k miles & it was garaged all it's life and is in showroom condition. It even has an extended GMPP warranty on it. Best of I got it for an amazing price! I still have to make a seperate post about it.
Anyhow, on to the cam. i looked a little more into the CheatR cam and it sounds like it makes a lot of valvetrain noise, is tough on the springs and sounds no different than a TR224 on a 114. Apparently it's not stealth sounding at all. Thats no good. Maybe the MTI Stealth II would be better. Still debating on a Futral cam though b/c from the sound clips I have heard it sounds like an F11 idles better than a TR224!
How's your F13?? You still need to stop by so I can check it out..and you can check out the new vette too.
Anyhow, on to the cam. i looked a little more into the CheatR cam and it sounds like it makes a lot of valvetrain noise, is tough on the springs and sounds no different than a TR224 on a 114. Apparently it's not stealth sounding at all. Thats no good. Maybe the MTI Stealth II would be better. Still debating on a Futral cam though b/c from the sound clips I have heard it sounds like an F11 idles better than a TR224!
How's your F13?? You still need to stop by so I can check it out..and you can check out the new vette too.
10-05-2005, 03:09 PM
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Yeah dude, we definately gotta get togather sometime soon. I love the f13, and if anything, I wish it lumped a little harder. As the tune gets more and more dialed in, the cam just gets smoother and smoother. When I first installed it I though it sounded great and had a noticeable lope at stoplights. Now I worry that people might mistake it for a slight stumble instead of a cam. Maybe when they ask what mods I have, Ill tell em "dirty airfilter and clogged injectors". 
I hate to be such a futral fanboy, but what about talking to alan about a custom grind? Maybe something on the order of 226-228 with high lift on a 115 or 116 lsa. Im sure he can come up with something stout that will still idle smooth as silk. And dont worry about emissions since NYS is completely OBD-II now. Your car should never have to pass a sniffer again.
I hate to be such a futral fanboy, but what about talking to alan about a custom grind? Maybe something on the order of 226-228 with high lift on a 115 or 116 lsa. Im sure he can come up with something stout that will still idle smooth as silk. And dont worry about emissions since NYS is completely OBD-II now. Your car should never have to pass a sniffer again.
10-05-2005, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by KB99WS6
Anyhow, on to the cam. i looked a little more into the CheatR cam and it sounds like it makes a lot of valvetrain noise, is tough on the springs and sounds no different than a TR224 on a 114. Apparently it's not stealth sounding at all. Thats no good. Maybe the MTI Stealth II would be better. Still debating on a Futral cam though b/c from the sound clips I have heard it sounds like an F11 idles better than a TR224
The CheaTR makes no more valvetrain noise than any other fast ramped cam currently on the market...FACT.
The CheaTR is not any tougher on springs than any other fast ramped cam currently on the market...FACT (based on tens of thousands of miles logged by owners of Thunder Racing's Old Man Cam).
The CheaTR sounds much smoother than a TR 224 on a 114. It should. It has less overlap. The amount of stealth is directly proportional to your idle speed. At 800 rpm, there's a small beat to it. At 850, it is absolutely stealth...again FACT.
The F11 won't idle better than the TR 224 because the it has quite a bit more overlap at .006 than the Thunder Cam...FACT.
10-05-2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
Pretty much all opinion and no facts.
At 800 rpm, there's a small beat to it. At 850, it is absolutely stealth...again FACT.
At 800 rpm, there's a small beat to it. At 850, it is absolutely stealth...again FACT.
The overlap comment however is physical evidence that would support your opinion.
Sorry. </ pet peeve>
10-06-2005, 08:53 AM
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Stealth has nothing to do with valvetrain noise. That is relative to proper preload.
Proper= quiet, less= loud and too much= failed lifter down the road.
faster ramps will be a little louder than stock, there is no way around that.
Stealth is relative to overlap, idle speed AND type of exhaust. Believe me, I'm a Stealth fanatic.
Proper= quiet, less= loud and too much= failed lifter down the road.
faster ramps will be a little louder than stock, there is no way around that.
Stealth is relative to overlap, idle speed AND type of exhaust. Believe me, I'm a Stealth fanatic.
10-06-2005, 09:27 AM
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Good timing....
For sale: MTI Stealth I cam
Specs: 220/220 .581-.581@115 LSA (Comp Cams)
Mileage: 9K miles
Price: $200.00 +shipping Its also listed on ebay.
For anyone who is looking for a cam that has stock idle charactersitics yet makes excellent power, this cam is it! Excellent driveability provided that you have a good tune. Car will drive like stock until you go WOT! I had zero problems with the cam. I decided to go with more duration and a less stealthy cam.
The cam is in excellent condition. It put down 412rwhp with AFR heads and LTs. I have pictures and original cam card
PM or email me eamador11@aol.com if interested
For sale: MTI Stealth I cam
Specs: 220/220 .581-.581@115 LSA (Comp Cams)
Mileage: 9K miles
Price: $200.00 +shipping Its also listed on ebay.
For anyone who is looking for a cam that has stock idle charactersitics yet makes excellent power, this cam is it! Excellent driveability provided that you have a good tune. Car will drive like stock until you go WOT! I had zero problems with the cam. I decided to go with more duration and a less stealthy cam.
The cam is in excellent condition. It put down 412rwhp with AFR heads and LTs. I have pictures and original cam card
PM or email me eamador11@aol.com if interested