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Old 08-27-2007, 04:16 PM
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I just had my car put on a chasis dyno and the car produced 392 hp at the rear wheels. Is there a calclation to convert rear wheel hp to motor hp? I just want to know how much motor hp i have. Thank in advance for any help.
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There's too many factors. Tire pressure, tire weight, drivetrain parts, etc. Just put it on the track. Times talk.
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If Manual:

FWHP = RWHP * Pi / 2.73

If Auto:

FWHP = RWHP * Pi / 2.62

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rule of thumb is 15-18% for drivetrain loss.
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yep usually 13-15% m6 and 18-20%a4
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Originally Posted by davered00ss
rule of thumb is 15-18% for drivetrain loss.
for a ROUGH estimate of flywheel hp take your rear wheel hp and divide by .85 (for 15%)
392/.85=461
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Manual
392 / .85 = 461hp

Auto
392 / .80 = 490hp

Obviously these are just ballpark guesses...
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Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
If Manual:

FWHP = RWHP * Pi / 2.73

If Auto:

FWHP = RWHP * Pi / 2.62

Where did you come up with this formula?
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Thanks everybody for the fast response. I was feeling pretty low once I saw my rear wheel hp reading today after I had my car chassis dynoed. I feel alot better knowing my motor has around 480 to 490 hp. I'm going to the track tommorow to try and get into the 11 second club. Wish me luck, I wil need it.
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Originally Posted by ROCNDAV
Where did you come up with this formula?
I tried to get numbers to divide Pi by that would make it 1.15 for the manual and 1.2 for the auto because I wanted a ballpark formula with Pi in it.
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It's more of a set number for drivetrain loss than it is a percentage. More like:
(HP required to turn part)*(X% lost due to friction and binding) so those who say it's a percentage are nuts. Let's make the numbers easy for discussion's sake. If it's a straight percentage, then if a TH350 is 10% loss, it takes a 300hp car 30hp to turn it, but it takes a 1000hp car 100hp to turn the same part? That's just silly thinking.
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Originally Posted by N4cer
It's more of a set number for drivetrain loss than it is a percentage. More like:
(HP required to turn part)*(X% lost due to friction and binding) so those who say it's a percentage are nuts. Let's make the numbers easy for discussion's sake. If it's a straight percentage, then if a TH350 is 10% loss, it takes a 300hp car 30hp to turn it, but it takes a 1000hp car 100hp to turn the same part? That's just silly thinking.
no, you just think to much
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Originally Posted by 93redBIRDman
Manual
392 / .85 = 461hp

Auto
392 / .80 = 490hp

Obviously these are just ballpark guesses...
How could an auto make more power than a manual transmission? I thought thats why we all got manuals to get the most out of the motor. Please explain this so that my next car we be an auto.
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Originally Posted by N4cer
It's more of a set number for drivetrain loss than it is a percentage. More like:
(HP required to turn part)*(X% lost due to friction and binding) so those who say it's a percentage are nuts. Let's make the numbers easy for discussion's sake. If it's a straight percentage, then if a TH350 is 10% loss, it takes a 300hp car 30hp to turn it, but it takes a 1000hp car 100hp to turn the same part? That's just silly thinking.
Don't discount the % loss from an unlocked converter through an automatic transmission. Most 4L60E converters have around 8% slip at the top of third. (Dyno gear).
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Originally Posted by Medic/Z28
How could an auto make more power than a manual transmission? I thought thats why we all got manuals to get the most out of the motor. Please explain this so that my next car we be an auto.
It requires higher motor hp to equal the RWHP of a manual in an automatic.
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[QUOTE=Heat Treat Pete I just want to know how much motor hp i have. Thank in advance for any help.[/QUOTE]

Why? You taking just the motor for a drive?

IMHO, motor hp is totally irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Boodyrider
Why? You taking just the motor for a drive?

IMHO, motor hp is totally irrelevant.
Horsepower in general is irrelevant, ask any Supra guy. 1200 hp won't get you out of the 11's haha.
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Oh for sure, it's the size and length of the TQ curve that wins races.
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+1 on it being a static % is ludicrous, saying 15% loss for a manual means if i have 460 FWHP im at 400 RWHP, but if i'm at 1000 FWHP i'm losing over 150 HP to turn the same components? Bah this thread can get ugly lol
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Originally Posted by N4cer
It's more of a set number for drivetrain loss than it is a percentage. More like:
(HP required to turn part)*(X% lost due to friction and binding) so those who say it's a percentage are nuts. Let's make the numbers easy for discussion's sake. If it's a straight percentage, then if a TH350 is 10% loss, it takes a 300hp car 30hp to turn it, but it takes a 1000hp car 100hp to turn the same part? That's just silly thinking.
I AGREE W/U. MAKES SENSE TO ME



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