Post your idea of the perfect street racing motor
01-31-2003, 09:49 PM
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Post your idea of the perfect street racing motor In a week or so I am deploying to the middle east. I will be saving so much $$, over 2k a month. I will be able to build up pretty much any motor I want when I get back. I have an A4 w/ a Vig 3200, but I plan do a M6 swap at a shop in Tennessee. Will run BFG dr's and all suspension stuff, rearend. What is your idea for the perfect set up for street/highway racing? Must be streetable, with awesome midrange and top end, and N/A. Not into FI. And I don't want to blow the tires up at a 60 punch. h/c 346, 409, 422, what? Cam, heads? I would like to deal w/ a shop that is driving distance like Cartek, JPR, MORE. This will give me something to think about when I'm away from the board for many months <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
01-31-2003, 10:04 PM
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Re: Post your idea of the perfect street racing motor hehe already here and saving up. I have a 382 in mine right now and it definately pulls hard mid and up top, cant tell much about the bottom though because it spins too hard. Did the Lunati kit with GTP stage II heads, LS6 intake, and Hooker LT's with true duals and alot of other stuff. Thinkin bought going to a 427 when I get back <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> C ya Soon
01-31-2003, 10:30 PM
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Re: Post your idea of the perfect street racing motor Lol, must be nice, there is no internet where I'm going, only sand. Yeah, I was thinking about a big cube engine with a smallish cam. Something reliable, drivable, with awesome power. I like the 427 C5R that a member posted about. It had only a TR224, but more than enough power for the street. Though, I ain't spending the $$ for a C5R block.
01-31-2003, 10:51 PM
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Re: Post your idea of the perfect street racing motor Mike, shoot an email my way before you leave. Haven't talk to you in a while. Been hanging out with Shawn alot as well as some new guys in the Columbia area. We are running pretty strong now meaning Lost of F-Bods. Shoot me a PM or email me.
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01-31-2003, 11:07 PM
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Re: Post your idea of the perfect street racing motor Hey, Sam ,will do! I am probably going down to Columbia next weekend (my last) to see my girlie hehe. Good to hear about the f-bods, yall need to do some modding <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> My car w/ all the bolts ons and nothing else was about the highest modded LS1 in town!
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Re: Post your idea of the perfect street racing motor Things have changed my friend since you left town. I said WTF and spent some money.
I'll tell you about it later. If you are going to be in town give me a call before you leave. I have sent you a couple of emails but got no response. Did you get them? I'll PM you my cell number.
Sam
I'll tell you about it later. If you are going to be in town give me a call before you leave. I have sent you a couple of emails but got no response. Did you get them? I'll PM you my cell number.
Sam
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02-01-2003, 12:03 AM
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Re: Post your idea of the perfect street racing motor My thoughts?? An all-bore 382. Look at the latest H/C packages... we're looking at PLENTY of torque there, especially on the street (even on DR's); you certainly wouldn't lose any low end torque by going to a bigger bore (since, generally speaking, torque is closely related to intake port velocity; in fact, it could even be possible that you would get MORE low speed torque than a 346 due to the larger piston providing greater vacuum to draw the air into the cylinder). Obviously, the all-bore would pull like a beast on the top end because of the unshrouding of the valves.
Having 475-500 RWTQ is all fine and good, but honestly think about it... you aren't going to be able to hook that up on the street. Slicks on a well-prepped track are the only way to hook up that kind of torque.
In any event, there's my $.02... take it for what it's worth.
On a side note, I'd like to say a big THANK YOU to 11 Bravo, mike2002, and the rest of our troops over there in the desert for doing what needs to be done in order to keep us safe and preserve our quality of life. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> Do us proud and come home safe, ya hear??
Having 475-500 RWTQ is all fine and good, but honestly think about it... you aren't going to be able to hook that up on the street. Slicks on a well-prepped track are the only way to hook up that kind of torque.
In any event, there's my $.02... take it for what it's worth.
On a side note, I'd like to say a big THANK YOU to 11 Bravo, mike2002, and the rest of our troops over there in the desert for doing what needs to be done in order to keep us safe and preserve our quality of life. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> Do us proud and come home safe, ya hear??
02-01-2003, 07:36 AM
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Re: Post your idea of the perfect street racing motor </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BurnOut:
<strong> My thoughts?? An all-bore 382. Look at the latest H/C packages... we're looking at PLENTY of torque there, especially on the street (even on DR's); you certainly wouldn't lose any low end torque by going to a bigger bore (since, generally speaking, torque is closely related to intake port velocity; in fact, it could even be possible that you would get MORE low speed torque than a 346 due to the larger piston providing greater vacuum to draw the air into the cylinder). Obviously, the all-bore would pull like a beast on the top end because of the unshrouding of the valves.
Having 475-500 RWTQ is all fine and good, but honestly think about it... you aren't going to be able to hook that up on the street. Slicks on a well-prepped track are the only way to hook up that kind of torque.
In any event, there's my $.02... take it for what it's worth.
On a side note, I'd like to say a big THANK YOU to 11 Bravo, mike2002, and the rest of our troops over there in the desert for doing what needs to be done in order to keep us safe and preserve our quality of life. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> Do us proud and come home safe, ya hear?? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks for the props <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I have thought about the 382 all bore, JPR's is a great deal. I guess I should see what everyone is putting out when I come back, just in the last week some big #'s have been put out. No clue when that will be, at least 6-7 months. I may go with a shop in NE Texas, because I will come home to Euless for leave when I get back. If the #'s for LG's new package is actually what everyone makes, I may be happy with a forged 346, with some spray when needed. Like you say, there is only so much power you can apply on the street. But I would like Supra BPU++ type power on the highway.
<strong> My thoughts?? An all-bore 382. Look at the latest H/C packages... we're looking at PLENTY of torque there, especially on the street (even on DR's); you certainly wouldn't lose any low end torque by going to a bigger bore (since, generally speaking, torque is closely related to intake port velocity; in fact, it could even be possible that you would get MORE low speed torque than a 346 due to the larger piston providing greater vacuum to draw the air into the cylinder). Obviously, the all-bore would pull like a beast on the top end because of the unshrouding of the valves.
Having 475-500 RWTQ is all fine and good, but honestly think about it... you aren't going to be able to hook that up on the street. Slicks on a well-prepped track are the only way to hook up that kind of torque.
In any event, there's my $.02... take it for what it's worth.
On a side note, I'd like to say a big THANK YOU to 11 Bravo, mike2002, and the rest of our troops over there in the desert for doing what needs to be done in order to keep us safe and preserve our quality of life. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> Do us proud and come home safe, ya hear?? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks for the props <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I have thought about the 382 all bore, JPR's is a great deal. I guess I should see what everyone is putting out when I come back, just in the last week some big #'s have been put out. No clue when that will be, at least 6-7 months. I may go with a shop in NE Texas, because I will come home to Euless for leave when I get back. If the #'s for LG's new package is actually what everyone makes, I may be happy with a forged 346, with some spray when needed. Like you say, there is only so much power you can apply on the street. But I would like Supra BPU++ type power on the highway.
02-01-2003, 08:49 AM
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Re: Post your idea of the perfect street racing motor 11 Bravo:
Godspeed to you and your comrades going to the middle east, so the rest of us can continue to enjoy the freedrom and liberties that this great COUNTRY of ours offers us, thanks to brave men like yourself, who have allowed these freedoms that most take for granted.
GodBless You and come home safely man!
Given the fact that you want to be able to have a good chance to hook up the power to the ground for street racing and driving, i think a stroker big bore motor like the 427 MTI is building me, is not practical b/c there is now way that type of power will hook up on the street.
I recommend going with a forged bottom end 346 with the best of all goodies to make it bullet proof, and then going with a proven big horsepower H/C application, such as the the new X package that Cartek is putting out, or whoever is making the best progress and most power when you come home in 7 months or so... Just think, in 7 months these heads and cam pacakgages will probably be pulling 490rwhp instead of 470. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
Better yet, know that i rethink it i would do the above forged/bullet proofed 346 but with a fairly aggressive solid roller cam as this motor should be good to get you into the low 10s on stock cubes and yet not give you so much dam torque that it becomes impractical and impossible for hooking up, for street use and racing.
Heck, if i new the huge power these heads and cam packages were pulling on stock cubes, i probably would of saved 5K myself, and gone this route, as there is no way i can ever go WOT from a stop again on my new motor and expect to hook up and that is a problem no doubt! THe JPR all bore 382 is also a good option, but will probably also be a bear hooking up for street racing on the street. I'd say the solid roller forger 346 with aggressive heads would out perform the all bore 382, hyd cammed engine, hands down.
Best of LUCK and God Bless you, your comrades and this Great Country of Ours.
MTI 427 C5 Roadster <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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Godspeed to you and your comrades going to the middle east, so the rest of us can continue to enjoy the freedrom and liberties that this great COUNTRY of ours offers us, thanks to brave men like yourself, who have allowed these freedoms that most take for granted.
GodBless You and come home safely man!
Given the fact that you want to be able to have a good chance to hook up the power to the ground for street racing and driving, i think a stroker big bore motor like the 427 MTI is building me, is not practical b/c there is now way that type of power will hook up on the street.
I recommend going with a forged bottom end 346 with the best of all goodies to make it bullet proof, and then going with a proven big horsepower H/C application, such as the the new X package that Cartek is putting out, or whoever is making the best progress and most power when you come home in 7 months or so... Just think, in 7 months these heads and cam pacakgages will probably be pulling 490rwhp instead of 470. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
Better yet, know that i rethink it i would do the above forged/bullet proofed 346 but with a fairly aggressive solid roller cam as this motor should be good to get you into the low 10s on stock cubes and yet not give you so much dam torque that it becomes impractical and impossible for hooking up, for street use and racing.
Heck, if i new the huge power these heads and cam packages were pulling on stock cubes, i probably would of saved 5K myself, and gone this route, as there is no way i can ever go WOT from a stop again on my new motor and expect to hook up and that is a problem no doubt! THe JPR all bore 382 is also a good option, but will probably also be a bear hooking up for street racing on the street. I'd say the solid roller forger 346 with aggressive heads would out perform the all bore 382, hyd cammed engine, hands down.
Best of LUCK and God Bless you, your comrades and this Great Country of Ours.
MTI 427 C5 Roadster <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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